Tuesday, April 17, 2012

Ontario Canada Human Rights Commission (HRC), a Girl can have a penis

Well, it is not quite that simple but I figured maybe a bold and obnoxious headline was due for this little tidbit. First, I do need to say that Ontario made it exceedingly difficult for even those with SRS to change a birth certificate but this decision by the Ontario HRC takes it too far. I may be in error here but I do believe transsexuals have had to deal Zucker and his ilk in Toronto if young so they deserve a merit badge for that.

The Commission handed done its decision on April 11, 20012 and the Government of Ontario has 180 days in which to reply with a new and improved process which I assume must allow females to have a penis. I do believe under Canadian Government Law they could pass another law that redefines the process and keeps the requirement of SRS but that is not something I am 100% sure of.

It is ironic that this Gay and Lesbian paper responded with such glee considering many of the lesbian women they represent find the thought of a lesbian with a functional penis obnoxious. As can be seen from this article this was a concerted effort by a Trans Activist group, seen in a photo, that represented the transgender point of view and nothing else. What a bevy of beauties that is and I do wonder how many a packing a penis and yes that was meant to be nasty if anyone has a doubt.

Like Autumn Sandeen the complainant had a bilateral orchiectomy because she got sick from the anti androgen blockers. Since Ontario has supposedly resumed paying for SRS it is apparent that the complainant has no intention of ever having SRS and in fact in a statement to a Psychiatrist stated she wanted to transition without any hormones or medications which I find odd but then I rarely trust what Psychiatrists say.

If you happen to read the entire decision like I did you will find something very interesting.  The only time transsexual is mentioned is generally when saying "transsexual surgery" and in all cases this was identified as a transgender case and a case concerning gender identity and gender expression and the primary mantra of the Transgender Borg that a female can have a penis.

This is the problem with Commissions and in particular Human Rights Commissions because they almost always are populated by very liberal people or despots like Gaddafi whose government was elected to the UN Human Rights Commission. This same HRC just praised Gadaffi as is pointed out in this article about such nonsensical praise from an HRC.

I am not in any way making the assertion that the Ontario HRC is this stupid but logic is not their bailiwick. A female does not have a penis and by changing a birth certificate that is what they are defining female as.  In fact I guess the birth certificate no longer defines ones sex characteristics at all.

I guess the question I have is who is on the commission and what is their agenda? The other issue was this came about because of the difficulty even transsexuals with SRS had in changing their birth certificates in Ontario and I wonder how much that had to do with Zucker and his clinic or even if it did.

The other problem is simple.  If this stands then it is another reason why transsexualism will never be recognized as a medical condition but then that has always been the position of the Transgender Borg. IF a transsexual can be cured then what the heck is someone that identifies as transgender? Certainly there wish is to be recognized as female with a penis which denigrates every female in the world but then men do not like to be denied their fantasies.




58 comments:

Miz Know-It-All said...

Even as I watch it happening... I still have a hard time believing they are so incredibly stupid as to think that their pushing this actually makes them women! Sure they will get their piece of paper, (suitable for framing, or wiping soiled areas of the body) but what they really have done is to codify the fact that they will NEVER be women! They are now and forever the sex they were born into, as are now our sisters and brothers... Sad.. so freaking sad!

Foxfire said...

They mentioned passports, and also finding some alternative third-party confirmation that a person is living in the gender they claim. As far as I know it is already like this for U.S. passports.

I was so happy to be able to send in a copy of my surgeon's letter and get my new passport with the coveted "F" on it once I completed my SRS. Now it makes me sick that these men claiming to be women think they don't need to do anything but change clothes and demand classification as female or they throw a public temper tantrum. Notice how it's always just one or two loudmouthed pricks (in every sense of the word) causing all this damage.

Between that pedophile pervert in Pittsburgh and now this, I do believe the world has gone completely mad. :(

Sagebrush said...

"XY" complains that in order to get sex designations changed, she has to, duh, change sex. And the tribunal supports her. Sigh. So sex designations become meaningless. Black is white, war is peace, freedom is slavery, male is female.

Anonymous said...

The world has in fact gone completely mad. At this point I often wonder if it is not better to simply let the chips fall where they may and allow everyone to just take their chances.

After all, is that not always the way it has always been? I realize that this is a fatalistic view, but until our legislators grow the necessry backbone to stand up to these gay pandering media manipulators.

Outrages such as this and that situation at Pitt., are simply harbingers of things to come. The alternative is a serious backlash which just might include an intelligent conversation about the obvious differences between TS and TG. Think McClosky and Talaklova. I will not be holding my breath.

Deena said...

I think it is time to simply remove the sex box from all documents and Id's. I mean what is the sense of having it on a DL if F can be either female or father and M can stand for either male or mother?

Anonymous said...

We shouldn't be surprised, this is what the Tee-Gees and the lifestyle transvestites want. The Homosexuals back them because anything to mess up life for the straight people is fine by them.

Nothing new here, next the pedophiles will be fighting for the right to.........
Well you know where that is headed.

NYF

Anonymous said...

The alternative is a serious backlash which just might include an intelligent conversation about the obvious differences between TS and TG.
---

BINGO. The conversations are already happening, BTW. The ones I've been in on remind me of being in the old East Germany or Soviet Russia; everybody looks over their shoulder first, and then speaks their dissent quickly in hushed whispers. There must be blacklists, it's the only thing that would explain it.

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

@--A.R.

"blacklists"? Yeah, I know I'm on it! Not that I would be complaining about it............:)


DJ

Stephanie said...

What happened to 'sex' and 'gender' is not between our legs, but between our ears?

Anonymous said...

Badge of honor, DJ. BTW, if that liberal California university you mentioned earlier happens to have an iconic clock tower, I'd be willing to hook up for a coffee and a chat sometime.

Oh, point of order: A girl cannot have a penis, that is an oxymoron. The headline would more accurately be that transvestites can have obviously incorrect sex designations. Do they really think a single letter on a piece of paper is going to change how they're perceived? Madness.

-- A.R.

Elizabeth said...

@Stephanie

Your sex is between your legs and in your brain. Gender is a cultural thing although you and your transgender pals would like that changed.

A female has a vagina and a male hopefully has a functioning penis. even the intersex choose one or the other sex.

Anonymous said...

It was "sex is between the legs, gender is between the ears" back in the day. (Gender Reassignment is impossible, and would be brain surgery if it were)

Now, regarding ID:

Your sex is recorded on the "sex" line of your ID.

Panty-check yourself if you are unclear as to your sex. If you really don't like what you find, there's an op for that. So, if you want your sex changed, get a sex change! It costs about $20,000 and requires you to prove that you're sane enough to sign the informed consent for it.

(Knowing that when you flip 'em over, boys have and outie and girls have an innie, is one of the "sanity checks" so I'll give you that one for free. But be warned that if you weren't a transsexual before you have that operation, it'll turn you into one. A "regretter" is nothing more than a transvestite who wanted to be transsexual, got his wish, and is now an FTM. Word to the wise for those in the pink fog: check yourself before you wreck yourself.)

Your "gender" is recorded in the photograph on your ID. If you don't like it, go back to motor vehicles and have them take another photo. It costs $31 in California, requires no explanation whatsoever, and they'll take a photo of a crazy person just as readily as a they'll take a photo of a sane one.

Any further ID-related questions?

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

It's all about 'trans'. This ill-defined catagory of people who are anything they claim to be and are demnding recognition of just that.

The right to those privileges available to those that have paid the price.

Are not the parallels to the Occupy Movement readily apparent. They, the occupiers want/demand what we have earned. they want those that have worked and earned to pay more so that they can have that to which they feel entitled but have not earned.

A simple case of the few plundering the many while at the same time the many plunder the few. These re te fruits of the perversion of "equality" of opportunity to mean an equality of results...and all in the name of "fairness".

Anonymous said...

Anon@4:22AM: Right there with you about Crockupy. Hey, can you pick a signature - anything at all, initials, ASCII art, whatever, so I know which anonymous you are from one convo to the next? Just a polite request.

Moving on, "Trans," in context, means "Change." As in, "The deal you thought you agreed to keeps changing after the fact."

These particular "trans" clowns have a unique feature in that not just do they keep changing their demands, but everything you gave them that was "all they needed" yesterday is a human rights violation today (you monster)! I see them as con men, nothing more or less. (Those two at Pitt are *obviously* con men; anyone accepting the older one as "trans" anything is either a tool or a dupe, but participating in the con either way IMO.)

Jumping to the meta, this was all openly disclosed on those campaign posters back in 2008 that simply said, "Change." The campaign logo was not the letter "O," but rather, the number zero. As in "The deal is going to change, and you will get nothing." Or "have nothing left afterward," as the case may be. (The observation of this back in 2008 when it mattered, made me a very unpopular person for a time.)

Which reminds me, anyone else notice that the "Celebrate Diversity" crowd doesn't tolerate any?

If you think these hippie liberal progressive socialist types with their "Visualize World Peace" buttons are all about love and kum-ba-ya and feeling groovy, try deviating from their slate card. Disagree with them about anything at all, and watch the violent ideations bubble forth. ("I'm not convinced that humans are the root cause of any climate change we might be experiencing." That one's usually good for a Godwin Award-winning death threat.)

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

AR
Welcome to the world of psychological warfare.

NYF

Anonymous said...

@NYF:

Problem.
Reaction.
Solution.

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

-- A.R.,

Wow, spoken like a true white supremacist.

-- A.R. "But I'm black."

Prove it.

BlackSwan

Elizabeth said...

@BlackSwan

I am a little tired of your bullshit BS. Everyone is a liar or worse and must prove themselves to some dipshit like you if you disagree with them.

Go play in the mud.

Anonymous said...

Strawman! When will you stop beating of in your g/f panties?


"Choose Identity"

Anonymous said...

Is-Liz-a-bitch, I don't see the dependent BS to you defendant BS, when your testimony is equally BS.

Weather you care or not we watched that film the same night you did; We bough a Zoo

Funny factoid about testimony; testi-mony. Truthful testimony under threat of having you testicles removed. At one point in history only men were allowed to testify in court. Does that make us all liars. Ha ha!

BlackSwan

Elizabeth said...

@BS

ROFLMAO

Poor BlackSwan is really, really, really, really pissed off or insane and based on this rather incoherent post probably delusional also.

You are treading on thin ice right about now. Have you visited Caroline Cossey's mom lately? Have you stopped being obsessed with Brevard? You are and always have been mentally ill.

Anonymous said...

Wow, that was a ham-handed "bad-jacketing" attempt. Not sure what the point of moderation is if such immoderate gibberish is let through, unless it was posted to show the "word salad" communication style of some opposition factions to the lurkers.

Since it was let through, also for the consideration of the lurkers, the "white supremacist" smear attempt is an example of the Godwin Award-winning responses to deviation from the slate card (aka "independent thought") that I was talking about. Given the nature of the bad-jacketing attempt, apparent deviation from the "blind faith in Dear Leader" portion of the slate card was likely the catalyst.

Also note the inability to comprehend an individual, as evidenced by the repeated attempts to assign me to a "group." This is an example of "group-think."

Unfortunately, this is not a random occurrence limited to individual online blog commenters who may or may not have other problems. "Group-think" is a recurring theme in real life, especially in the LGBT, where no one can hear you until you choose an identity from one of their lists, and preface your statements with things like "Speaking as a (externally-defined, LGBT-approved group label)...." You literally can never "find yourself" there, you can only become an "identity clone." This is how the pawns are manufactured.

[Side-point: The need to assign people to groups based on a common characteristic, rather than taking them as individuals to be judged on their own merit, is the definition of "bigotry." When the LGB/TG Borg tells you that a collective identity is necessary because "The Bigots See It As All The Same(tm)," they're putting it right in your face who the bigots are. It's full disclosure, satisfying the Principle of Fair Warning.]

Tying back to the post topic, if they can convince you that penises are female, they can convince you of anything, and then you're a pawn. Continuing the chess metaphor, pawns are expendable. Fair Warning delivered. (Though sometimes, on rare occasions, pawns can become queens. "The Pawn Who Would Be Queen." Interesting...)

-- A.R.
"Don't choose an identity. Create your own."

Anonymous said...

Hey Liz, I meant "bought" as in we bought a zoo. Sorry getting used to my iPhone. FYI won three matches in Vegas and placed in a bikini contest, best part is I got paid for it. Cool huh!?

With your permission I feel the need to educate Ms. --A.R. On the politics of poverty. She is waxing the hubris.

BlackSwan

Anonymous said...

Staying faithful to the thread title here; I should like to know exactly whom the members of the Canadian human rights council are. I should also like to ask them if they would be prepared to recognise the fruitloop who claimed to be Napoleon Bonaparte as the real Napoleon Bonaparte because that is how he identifies. Would they then be prepared to set him up in a palace on Elba where he belongs as said defeated General and Emperor. I doubt they could be so silly. So what is it that allows these people to arrive at the conclusions they do?

It's my belief that they don't accept that these characters such as those in the pictures in the previous essay are whom or what they say they are either but will it hurt if they allow it? Only a few "uppity women" and who cares about that? Men don't.

This is just one of the reasons why whenever the likes of Jenna, Kim Petras etc etc become public the TG Borg rush to absorb them even if they do not wish to be absorbed.

Cassandraspeaks

Anonymous said...

I am. I have. My identity is, "Choose Identity", AKA "Anonymous".

If you choose to mock and disparage my identity, I will have no choice but to consider you a small minded hater that simply cannot accept that I am who I am because I say so and that I am the same as you and hir.

Sorry....I could not resist. And if you are open minded enough to accept that, then you must, by extension, accept my penis gifted womanhood.

Choose Identity, (CI).

Elizabeth said...

@Anonymous

Nobody but your fellow penis proud men in dresses considers you even remotely a woman or female. You are a man. You have a penis. Your penis is functional. You are a man.

You cannot have sex like a woman unless taking it up the ass is your kind of joyful sex but then maybe you are a "feminist lesbian with a penis and lesbians are required to suck you off like I am sure your girl on girl man dreams so wanted.

You are not welcome in women's showers with your 7 inch neo-clit. Only the liberal loons of the world are stupid enough to think you matter.

If you think the reaction of the University of Pittsburgh President was harsh when that dipshit McCloskey undressed and showered as a female bodied person wait until one of you pathetic wanker scumbags does it in a women's shower.

All you TG bullshit will be wiped off the map in minutes because the shock-wave will be catastrophic. Now go jack off or do you play girl by sticking a dildo up your ass?

Anonymous said...

I am getting confused. I thought McClosky was the dude in the blue sweater.

CI

Elizabeth said...

@CI

I stand corrected. It was Johnston.

Anonymous said...

@CI; I'm sorry I riffed on your name choice - didn't see the lovely literalism of it at first. Sincere apology offered.

Wavelength check: If you choose not to accept the apology, I will be forced to conclude that penises are female, mushrooms are round fruit, and the pawn who would be queen is entitled to a room at Buckingham Palace (at public expense, naturally). Frame-sync?

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

Of course! I accept your apology. It is so easy to become confused and be misinterpreted in such an oddly fabricated environment where *women* have penises and *men* get pregnant.

CI

flow said...

i don't get the judge's ruling. how can a requirement for appropriate genitalia be discriminatory for a changed birth certificate?

EVERY SINGLE PERSON born in pretty much anywhere in the world is visually inspected at birth to determine the gender on their birth certificate. the birth certificate is a record of PHYSICAL gender.

therefore, there is no discrimination involved in requiring physical gender to match what is on the birth certificate, nor is there discrimination in requiring surgery to get the certificate changed.

i hope this gets challenged. its a nonsense decision.

Anonymous said...

Not to be disrespectful here, but in the interest of clarity might we use the term 'sex' when referring to a persons's genitalia and 'gender' when referring to the social construct deemed appropriate to that sex/genitalia.

Might save a lot of arguements down the road.

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

I wonder where all these "gender variant" people are.

I mean, last August I walked the entire length of Manahattan - seriously, on foot from 145th/10th Av., all the way to the Battery, and not even in a straight line at that - CCNY to Columbia to St. John's, then down Central Park West to pay my respects to Mr. Lennon at the Dakota, through the Park to come out at 5th Av. entrance on the South side, then zig-zagged through Hell's Kitchen to the High Line, then West Side Pedway/Bikeway to WTC.

Not the most efficient route, but efficiency wasn't the point. For this blog's purposes, the point is that I must have walked past literally a million people that day, and didn't see a one I'd describe as "gender variant." 150+ blocks through some of the most densely populated areas on Earth, and nothing but men and women the whole way.

So... who is everyone re-defining sex and building third bathrooms FOR? Do they even exist off-campus and outside the LGBT Centers?

-- A.R.

Sagebrush said...

@Cassandraspeaks

Here is a link to the members of the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario (it's a provincial body -- and ruling -- not national):

http://www.hrto.ca/hrto/?q=en/node/12

Anonymous said...

Liz, I have to post this here, O/T though it may be:

@DJ: I had no idea who you were when I offered that coffee meetup. I still don't know who you are, and no personally-identifiable information has been disclosed, but I have recently become aware of the possibility that such a meeting might be inappropriate. If this is true, I had been under a mistaken impression at the time, and obviously such a thing cannot happen. Apologies for any discomfort I may have inadvertently caused to you and yours.

-- A.R.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Elizabeth,

@--A.R.: Someone could have a "mistaken impression" about me? Oh my!LOL

Thank you for your discretion. I take no offense. No apologies necessary, as no discomfort was encountered. And, I certainly appreciate the regard.

Thank you,

DJ

Elizabeth said...

@AR

Serendipity III is my favorite place in NYC from my years there. I still go there if I am in NYC for personal or business.

The frozen hot chocolate drink is to die for for us chocoholics.

Anonymous said...

East Side, up around 60th?

--A.R.

Miz Know-It-All said...

Y'all can keep your ol' mid-town to yourselves! Cause you an't gonna find me going north of Canal! I mean, why bother when I can go xactly one block south and sup on the finest dim sup a god ever put on this earth at the Hop Kee Tea Room. The place is stupidly tiny even by NY standards with the abidance of a very un-ironic fifties lunch counter, the service is mega rude, "why are you still here? Go go! People waiting!" But the food? Ahhh it's to die for! So what if the manager will chase you into the street if the tip is too small? Just think of it was a free floor show!

Elizabeth said...

@AR

Between Second and Thirs Avenues on E 60th. Serendipity 3 was a favorite. It was walkable from my apartment and from the job site. I ate many a meal there with my dear friends Oscar and Andy.

Anonymous said...

Friends don't let friends go to Tribeca. ;)

-- A.R.

Miz Know-It-All said...

Vat a New Yawker! Droppin" names like a big shot! So you were in the same restarant with Andy and Oscah! Ach! Such a meshugana!

I call you cab! You come China Town! Eat Chinese food, make all better! ;)

Deena said...

Now now MKIA don't get all excited.

Anonymous said...

Now Deena, don't get all condescending.

Anonymous said...

Oh Miz, you'll just be hungry again in an hour. We'll go to Katz for pastrami and a Dr. Brown's; I'll send a car for you. Eat, eat, you're so skinny. Why doesn't a nice girl like you have a husband? You should meet my nephew, he's a DoctorLawyerAccountant.

I have this other nephew, he's a sports repairman. He fix-a da basketball game, da base-a-ball game...

-- A.R.
In Soviet Russia boy in Army sends salami to you. ;)

Kelly said...

There are many different definitions of sex. According to most cissexual people, sex is determined by genetics and/or genitalia at birth, and can never be changed. Therefore, all transwomen are men. Even Harry Benjamin held that view.

If you don't think that's correct, then you must argue why. And an argument that transwomen are born women and clearly show it throughout their lives, in their lived experiences, is clearly stronger than the very suspect notion that sex can be changed with surgery that even sex-fuelled mentally disordered people can sometimes get.

Elizabeth said...

@Kelly

ROFLMAO.

Harry Benjamin DID NOT hold the view that we were all men. Typical delusional rantings of another one of the Transgender Borg nimrods. By the way what the heck is a transwoman?

Also what the heck are the "sex change laws" you want to change? I did follow the link to your many knew blogs.

Now hurry home and change before the wife finds out you borrowed her panties.

Anonymous said...

http://notransseparatist.blogspot.com/

Oh this is that nutcase who thinks all of us who have our birth condition corrected and want to move on with our lives are a bunch of autohynephilifiles.

To quote
" The Controversy of Using Autogynephilia
Recent discussions on trans forums surrounding the strategy of using autogynephilia to discredit SRS-separatists predictably opened a can of worms. The real issue being discussed is, of course, clouded. As a supporter of this strategy, I thought it would be helpful if I explained it clearly."



This website is the proof the Tee-Gees are loosing credibility and they know it. So now one of them is attacking us because they made big fools of themselves.

NYF

Anonymous said...

Cue the lynch mob, "... she looks like a man."

http://www.9news.com/news/article/266136/188/Transsexual-woman-cited-after-using-womans-restroom

Maybe this is why pre-operative status needs to be protected? Surgery trajectory would have made not difference to this police officer in Texas.

BlackSwan

Anonymous said...

@NYF Oh they know they are on the way to being discovered for the frauds they are they've always known that losing transsexuals from the TG umbrella term will cost them credibility. The only thing slightly different about this fool "Kelly" is that he reckons making us look like autogynophiles they can gain credibility. Unfortunately the live of real transsexuals display the folly of AG in the same way our lives show we are not TG.
Yes our message is hitting home.

CS

Reaity Check said...

Indeed. Here is nothe quote from this loser...

"In the end, either the separatists share what they have with all of us, or they can't have anything. This is a bit extreme, but hey, it's going to be a useful part of our ammunition in fighting back against separatist."

The TG Borg/LGBTg Agenda in a nutshell.

(courtesy: The "Resources" Link, this same blog).

Elizabeth said...

@BS

If as she claims she has a letter from a therapist then what happened is just wrong. The only question I would have is the dates on the letter and the date of the misdemeanor.

Yes, she does look like a man and if she was visiting a patient, her husband(?), then why not use the bathroom in his room. I am sure the truth will come out on her day in court.

Elizabeth said...

@BS

You might want to read this.

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news/Transgender-woman-on-parole-for-child-sex-assault-149941805.html

Paula aka Paul is a convicted sex offender and is on parole for sexual assault of a child plus indecency with a child. Be careful whom you pick for your martyr.

Anyone that sexually assaults a child has basically not a single right as far as I am concerned. The recidivism is incredibly high and this is a sex offender. That makes Paula officially a complete and total piece of shit.

Anonymous said...

This guy Witherspoon looks like your typical week-end, recreation CD/TV/"man-in-a-dress".

Typical martyr/victim meme.

In "transition for six years"...give me a break!

Lose the dress, the hairstyle and the lipstick, and you have Joe six-pack at a Cowboys game.

C.I.

Reaity Check said...

Notice how this dude so glibly latches onto the transsexual label.

If this guy is undergoing a sexual reconstruction, I am the man in the moon.

BTW This man's name is PAUL Witherpoon. Not Paula.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth,

Agreed, Paula (aka Paul) is no poster child, but she still has rights, no matter how much you dislike a previous conviction.

BTW if you have ever spanked a child its considered sexual assult. Its a stretch to discredit the argument with a previous convictoin.

http://www.nospank.net/holm.htm
http://www.whale.to/a/johnson.html

BlackSwan

Anonymous said...

By the looks of this guys criminal record he appears to be using "transsexual" as a way to hide his former identity.

Thanks for bringing this up. He's a total dirtbag.

BlackSwan

Elizabeth said...

@BS

Look, I know you had a rough physical childhood with your dad I believe but spanking is not sexual assault and anyone that says it is comes from some left wing liberal point of view that is contrary to the view I hold.

I spanking on the but, I deserved every one I got, is not harmful as long as injury is not the intent.

My family rarely spanked us but when we got one we deserved it. Personally I am not in favor of it but it is no sexual assault under any circumstance.