Saturday, November 27, 2010

Someone has threatened to close my blog down


I guess I am really naive about this blog and internet usage because I have an enemy whose name shall not be spoken that has officially or "tentatively reported me to someone and is threatening to shut me down. Now I do admit I probably should just not respond to the "psycho animals" in the crowd but I just cannot help it. My only comment to the person whose name shall not be mentioned is to come on down and play.

I would never post any of your emails but I am posting public comments you made about me and emails I have sent to you.  Do enjoy.

The following is a snippet from a comment I made:

It ends here or I will put it all on my blog and let the blog public make the decision. It was quite unanimous before that you are bonkers.

Thu 7/16/2009 12:04 PM was an email you sent to me which I highly recommend you cross-check before continuing this lunacy.

This is in reference to a decidedly weird email that was sent to me on that date which explained to me why she went bat-shit crazy over a comment I made on HBS which I will get to later. The following is a comment on the blog here.


Again you show your ignorance. Please don't threaten me, or threaten to do another stupid thing. I've already made a "tentative" formal complaint. Please do not push it Elizabeth:

Digital Millennium Copyright Act - Blogger


Infringement notification




Contact Information


First name: *

Last name: *


Company Name: *


Copyright holder you represent: *


Your email address: *



Location of copyrighted work: *

The administrator of this blog site: http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-there-really-only-one-kind-of.html

"Elizabeth Turner" is threatening to post personal copyright material on her site. She made the comment here: http://anna-es-asi.blogspot.com/2010/11/tgs-parsing-of-reasonormy-monthly-rant.html

The comment:

"Elizabeth said...
@Anne

Sorry this crazy person has started on me on your blog. She is constantly checking my blog seeing if I have posted something on her which I find humorous.

As to you xxxx I would suggest you read the terms of service for Google because they specifically say they don't care and unless you can get a court order they will tell you to drop dead. I guess you could falsely accuse me of something which seems to a thing of yours.

It ends here or I will put it all on my blog and let the blog public make the decision. It was quite unanimous before that you are bonkers.

Thu 7/16/2009 12:04 PM was an email you sent to me which I highly recommend you cross-check before continuing this lunacy."


What is the copyrighted work?: *

Personal emails.
LOCATION OF INFRINGING MATERIAL IN THE BLOG: *
http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2010/11/is-there-really-only-one-kind-of.html

Location (URL) of infringing third party content: *
http://anna-es-asi.blogspot.com/2010/11/tgs-parsing-of-reasonormy-monthly-rant.html

November 27, 2010 8:06 AM

I am looking but oh yes this is a "tentative" threat isn't it.  All of this begs the question why would you harass me on Anne's blog like you did?  Hasn't anyone ever told you never to piss off the wrong people? The truly weird part is this lunatic follows it up with another comment that ends with what can best be described as quite baffling.

You Elizabeth are what many transpeople would refer to as a bully.

Anne began her blog trying to assimilate peace, and unity amongst people who have so much internal struggle within themselves that they find it difficult to trust anyone. She is now venting ire at people who could be allies in the fight to find hope. I doubt very much that you have the ability to do any more than judge people. Your support of anyone unlike you is intermittent, and unrealiable.

I mentioned Lynn Conway because she is one of the main forces of impetus for the tg agenda. I didn't mean to comment about her out of malice. I did it to wake you up. Even though there are many wonderful, and honest people amongst those who follow Lynn's, or people like Andrea James' guidance, there are also those who will undermind anything in order to get their way, and that includes any semblance of what was the work of Harry Benjamin. Many people now scoff at the mere mention of his name, and some are post-ops just like you, and I.

Again, I hope you know what you are fighting for, or against, because the truth that other people may envision, may not be as you, and I see it.

Before you again reiterate that I am "crazy", maybe you should take a closer look at yourself, and where you have been, and where you are actually going with all of this. I am not your enemy, and neither am I Anne's. I wouldn't still be here if I didn't have an open mind, and a caring heart. Think about that before you two denounce another person, who might just be trying to relate to you at the same level.

November 27, 2010 8:49 AM
I do not believe I have ever attempted to bully anyone and when one is attacked personally I find it hard to understand how that is being a bully.

If anyone out there has an explanation for this last paragraph I need some insight and preferrably from someone that has worked with the mentally ill. I will give it my best shot here but first some comments on something you posted earlier in this comment which is in bold. I am confused by this because and I will tell you why.

I don't believe Anne scoffs at Harry's name but that is her right but for someone like yourself who so desperately wanted to be recognized as a Type VI I am surprised but we will let it pass for right now. 

You are not my "enemy"? You came on another person's blog to harass me and you are not my enemy? With friends like you who needs enemies. You still want to be my friend? How many psychotropic drugs are you on?

When was my first interaction with this individual whose name shall not be spoken?  It was in June and July of 2009 which relates to a time when I was a member of the Yahoo HBS message board. Initially even on this blog I thought she was someone I had offended directly which lets face it I can do if I don't bite my tongue occasionally. I didn't on HBS because I have never been around any group of people that totally off the wall in my life and it calls for me to make a public apology to someone.

To Aria Blue I humbly apologize for saying your article about people learning the narrative and using it to get surgery when they should not was bullshit. There may not have been a narrative when I was a kid but the loons of the world have learned it well and you are correct that many use the "gay transsexual" paradigm as their narrative because it was all over HBS. They all demanded they were type VI and I sat there and read the posts and they were freaking weird as they attempted to re-write what Type VI is like it was some badge of courage or more correctly in their "male" eyes the "best" kind of transsexual because it is perceived as the most intense and thus the worst which can only be thought of as some form of male masochistic thought process I am not familiar with. You were basically right.

The last time I had been around the community was earlier in the decade probably in the 2000 to 2002 time-frame but only in a limited way. I ran into some crazy people like the following.

  1. One supposed transsexual told me it was the greatest gift he had ever been given to be transsexual and he was blessed by god with his transsexualism. I told him that would be the devil not god.
  2. A second one related this surreal story about how he had this sudden revelation late in life that he was a girl and transitioned and had surgery. He claimed there were no gender issues before and I told him he was probably blocking memories but he said certainly that he was not and I told him he was nuts for doing what he did and any shrink that passed him should lose their license. Basically he woke up on Thursday and decided at 50+ he was a girl with no gender issues which is bollocks.

For some reason the second story triggered a vitriolic response from the person whose name shall not be spoken and she basically was upset because she had been diagnosed Type VI and I have to admit I had no idea initially why she was upset but we will leave that to the imagination of my blog readers and let your imagination run amok. She was upset at me primarily because I said attempting to redefine Type VI to include very late transitioners was a big problem.  Here is a  partial copy of my email to her

Could you have been a Type VI as a child or could even xxxxxxx??  Absolutely, but your decisions blurred the possibilities and confused the issues and trying to redefine it to clearly include late transitioners is quite bad because the kids will be hurt more than they already have been. If I seem insensitive to that possibility then I am so sorry but my focus is kids like I was.
 
She had emailed me on 7/13/2009 because on HBS your email address is available sending me her telephone number and asking me to call her "to break the ice" if I remember correctly. She sent a second email and then a third detailing her life and that was the end of it because I thought there was no reason to be a odds with her.  She can believe what she wants because as the old saying goes opinions are assholes and we all have one.

I was encouraged to write a blog by several friends none of whom were the person whose name shall not be spoken. I enjoyed writing it and got upset with comments from someone and took them on but I have to reiterate I do not agree with some of her ideas but she is a brilliant writer and very knowledgeable on some things and I do respect and agree with many of her assertions. Several of her friends accused me of being something other than I was which is why I posted certain information none of which included a last name which the person whose name shall not be spoken has deliberately done on the blog above although to save everyone problems it was a last name of my first husband and a name I have never gone by. I use it for safety.

I posted two commentary articles about Mikki the scrabble player and the "Gay transsexual" which never mentioned anyone other than Mikki and me and certainly never mentioned the person whose name shall not be spoken. She posted a tirade of comments which are public property and then deleted them for some reason.  Here they are

mata ne said...

    The are Monsters who are born, and there are Monsters who are made.


    Which one are you?


    I am going to again risk my name, my reputation, but I will not risk the value of what I believe in. I am going to take you on a ride that goes back some 10 years:

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYF,GWYF:2010-24,GWYF:en&q=%22june+hingle%22

    http://www.google.com/images?rls=GWYF,GWYF:2010-24,GWYF:en&q=%22june%20hingle%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

    http://groups.google.com/groups?rls=GWYF,GWYF:2010-24,GWYF:en&q=%22june%20hingle%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wg

    Cut and Paste those links please.

    Can you find the Monster in those links?

    Sorry, I was not born one, and I can't be made into one.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    What you are doing here is no different than what Aria Blue has been doing. It is just a repetition of the same. :(

    What is so odd is that Homophobias, and Transphobias all have roots in the same place. "The human conscience."

    It is more often than not that the people who have issues with themselves will end up being their own worst enemies. Their hate can become endless, and spread out to the same people that they may have once respected as equals.
    November 13, 2010 7:38 AM
mata ne said...

    The majority of those photos of mine came from a video that I made a few days before I was to leave for home 1500 miles away so I could attend my son's wedding. I made the video to show them what I would be wearing. At that time I with living at my sister's home, taking care of her's and her husband's two Yorkies. My brother-in-law had cancer, and both of them were living at a medical center 600 miles from their home. I stayed in their home a total of 8 months. I did my work from their also.

    I made the mistake of sending that video to a person I thought was a friend. I later discovered that she was a swindler, traitor, liar...you name it. She took that video and had the voice changed to a man's voice, and published it on the YouTube site. I later had her account with them closed. Her site was filled with things that satisfied her transvestic fetishisms, and yet she was a post-op?
    November 13, 2010 7:47 AM
mata ne said...

    That same person published photos on her Msn Profile of herself with a married man. The was after she told me about her dirty sex life as a whore. I found that man on Facebook. I also found has wife, and their newborn daughter, and discovered that the person I thought I knew as a friend was there as a friend to the man, and his wife. Can you imagine my fear for the wife and her newborn? The wife knew nothing about the affair, which I believe continues. The husband left a few weeks ago. The wife is devastated, and I am in fear that the whore, with all her deceptions, and betrayals, may have infected that family, in as she had told me that she was very ill for a long time. :(
    November 13, 2010 7:54 AM
mata ne said...

    Let's forget about her, and go to the Google "Groups" link.

    The majority of those postings were written by one person...a demented and obsessed "Transsexual".

    She called me everything from an Escort, where she listed me as one in the "Connecticut Jobs Listings", to a Murderer, and whatever her thrills of hate led her to say. I wasn't only person plagued by her. End of Story.

    The Spanish transsexuals are some of the most ignorant, and deceptive people.

    www.carlaantonelli.com

    Carla Antonelli is a self-described TS who is really a TG not-operated. Her site in managed not only by her, and by a male T admirer who delights in mocking God, and what gets in the way of Carla Antonelli's agenda. There is a Clan within the group of people who think nothing of hurting anyone that gets in their way.

    Because I am an American, and I support honesty, and I was a friend of the Harry Benjamin Syndrome people, and their basic principles, and that I trusted certain people who deceived me, I also became their victim. That spread into www.figinternet.org where they extended their thorns of hate. :(
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So!

    What are you? A born Monster, or one in the making?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    This whole mess has become so obsessed, and cruel. :(


    Not every is like you.

    If you don't like how they may be affecting the life that encompasses us, then please stop contributing to what bothers you. You can't change it by becoming a Monster, and spewing out more hate, and scorn!

    If the Trans Community continues to get what they want, and if there are no legal boundaries, or protections for people who just want to go on living a normal life outside of the T-world grasp on them, then you lose.

    You gain nothing by commenting on things that irk you, if you do nothing about it. You are only demeaning who you are, and what you stand for.


    Mata ne
    November 13, 2010 8:24 AM
mata ne said...

    All this deception and hate has gotten to me too Elizabeth, and much more than you could ever imagine, but I will not let it take away who I am.

    If you want to help, then please help to implement laws that protect those who don't want the Trans agenda to take over their lives.

    Please look at www.carlaantonelli.com It is a site filled with propaganda, and hate, especially against people who believe in God. That is a perfect example of how society can be torn down to a level where there is no longer any truth. Their mere hate for Americans, God, Politicians, or people who fight against Mob-like intrusions into their lives is enough for a sane person to explode. But you can't stop them. They feel they have the freedom to recreate the truth as they see it, and to put down anyone, or anything that stands in their way. That same group of people have infiltrated www.figinternet.org. They refuse to allow groups like HBS to influence people. The Carla Antonelli people are the ones who influenced Andrea James to denounce Charlotte. That is how far reaching their arm of injustice, and hate has extended.


    So?

    Are you are born Monster, or are you growing into one?

    When does it stop Elizabeth?


    :((((((((


    Mata ne
    November 13, 2010 8:52 AM

mata ne said...

    I was also born with a boy's body. My testosterone was also low. Even up into my early twenties I was hit upon by males, and some of them who either were already married, and later married.

    Up until my late teens, I pushed the boys and men away. Maybe it was how I was brought up. As I have already said to you and others, I resisted it. I did everything possible to keep it from taking over the male that the body represented. I held it back until it exploded out of me. I was married at that time. It didn't matter any more. I was heterosexual from birth, and I remain heterosexual still.

    You don't need to analyze yourself Elizabeth. You know who you are. There was never that "Gay TS". It was just you, and what you felt was inside of you, and the time and the circumstances that brought it all about were just part of your experience in life. Maybe your timing was different than mine, but if you think that it makes you any closer to being anything at all that may make you any more real than me, then you missed something alone the way. Those kinds of thoughts make other people seem to be lesser than us.

    :( There is just too much of that kind of thing happening here, isn't there?

    It begins with self pride through self-evaluation, and it ends with putting down others because they are vulnerable, and less apt to be as wise and inpenetrable as we are.


    Please preserve the little integrity that we all have left, and try to respect the differences. If those differences affect your life, or your gutt feelings, then please find a way to resolve it, without becoming part of the same thing that would end up making us all look pretty bad in the end.

    The troublemakers won't go away, but we can overcome their agenda, by finding ways to get around it, and avoiding confrontation. I tried to fight them, but they will forever persist, and grow in numbers.

    We need to protect ourselves from within, and through legal channels. Then maybe people like us can spend more time concentrating on the blessings we've been given, rather than the lingering nemeses of our past.


    j
    November 13, 2010 9:43 AM

You will note that not a single mention was made of either post on my blog. I sent the person the following email .
I realize in my life I have said stupid hurtful things and have always tried to admit to them but that post was in no way aimed at hurting you or anyone else.

Liz

I did not realize the tirade was over the Mikki post also until I got another email and I responded:



What the fuck are you talking about xxxx? I remove no comments xxxx but I have no idea what your problem is. Mikki is a fraud or in my opinion Mikki is a fraud.  SO what she won a scrabble event so good for Mikki.

There is no relationship between those two posts whatsoever.

My past is my past and whether you like it or you do not it helped make me the person I am for better or for worse. I was fortunately or unfortunately there when a lot of what we define as the transsexual community began to form and I was involved with people who thankfully cared about me and I am sorry if you were denied that.  It was looking back at those times and harry that made me realize who horrible I had been to you originally and how horrible I felt hurting someone which but for fate could have been me and how wrong and myopic I was.

You are worried about the negative feedback I sometimes get yet you label me a MONSTER?? Please forgive me the cynics view but I got the feeling from your lengthy comments that you were just pissed at me for saying something that hurt you deliberately which I did not do and therefore you decided to accuse me of being evil basically.

You learn lessons from your past and whether others want to listen to those lessons is up to them. I am very careful who I allow into my personal life which is why I have servers set up remotely that I remote desktop into at a site and city not where I live and why certain friends use them. I trust nobody completely and unfortunately I need to add someone else to the list of do not trust.

I would suggest you reread the post but you have made up your mind. You are always welcome to post comments on my blog but this is your freebie.  

Liz

All my comments are available under the "Gay Transsexual" post for those interested.

I then get another weird email where she claims she is not my enemy and I responded.

We are not enemies. Read what you posted in your comments.  How else am I supposed to feel?

Under normal circumstances I would have ripped you a new asshole.

What the hell are you smoking?

Liz

I got another email as weird as the other and responded.


Look at what you said xxxx. Monster etc..

I am upset but not angry. Hurt but not mad and I do not want your phone number.

Liz


 She is so delusional she sends another email saying she did not call me a monster and I responded.

**********************************************************************
The are Monsters who are born, and there are Monsters who are made.


Which one are you?
***********************************************************************

You posted that as the first two lines of your long series of comments.

Get a grip on yourself xxxx. Your posts are staying put. Your comments are slurred and kind of incoherent but you said it so you can live with it.

The one who needs to calm down and get a grip is you.

I like you but this was over the line.

You almost sound like you are over medicated.

 She took offense to the medicated comment and I attempted to remember what happened on HBS and she made a comment in her email about "I'm a fake, and never could have been as real as you.  You win." which I have never implied but I was a little worried she was slipping over the end and responded even though she said don't write again.

I was wrong then xxxx because I was ignorant. I would prefer to think maybe it was something else but I have done nothing since those original horrible comments to hurt you.  I don't know what your problem with me is but you wrote that and I didn't.  You accused me of being a monster and I have no idea where that came from.
I am not the one passing out phone numbers.

Sorry but none of those posts on my blog were aimed at you so what am I supposed to think when I get this long rant totally off subject?

Liz

There was some other ugly stuff posted by her and deleted that I did not get a chance to save and I admit now I was getting angry. She is like dealing with a petulant child so since she could not be sent to her room I got nasty and commented about her issues with someone named Natasha which was probably wrong but she seems angry at everyone.


You are welcome to comment on anything I post. I am still troubled by what you posted and then deleted  from my blog. Like I said before I have no idea why there was that outburst and why you felt it was necessary to personally attack me but you are free to do so within reason.

I thought we had gotten by our initial issue where I felt remorse for hurting you because it was not right. You called me a monster and I have no idea why. Opinions are just that and are not worth much so you had your free shot at me but after that no more freebies.  I will strike back and I admit that is a personal weakness of mine and I did strike back.

I have no interest in reading anything additional about those issues and if they hurt you I am sorry for that. As for the rest of what you said about me and deleted I have copies and they were less than kind so I have no interest in discussing anything further with you.

The person who shall not be named  then was happy because someone called me a bigot over the Mikki comments which is their right. I have an opinion and I said it and can live by it so I responded to the person who shall not be named.

You should never have offered any information such as photos about anyone and I was hurt and mad about what you said so I struck back. Mikki is a transvestite IMHO and has nothing to do with you and me. Bringing that up is beneath contempt even for you.

I have opinions and I state them and only if I am attacked personally like you did do I get personal. You should never have offered photos and after what you said to me in all honesty I was worried and then you send me your phone number. I said what I said about Natasha to basically get back at you for the things you said about me. I find Aria intriguing because she is a good writer and obviously more informed on some issues than I am and was hoping you understood what made her say and write what she does because I think I posted twice there before I was banned for asking a hard question.

I said not ONE thing to you or about you in "Gay Transsexual" post and you went off on me like it was a personal insult to you. I was not talking about anyone but myself and you viciously attacked me and I said that was a freeby because I was mean to you once and was apologetic.  You then got even more vicious and I struck back with a legit question about you and Natasha. You brought her up not me. It takes two to have a fight.

You are the one that needs to look into things a little more closely and you are the one that attacked me and I can provide all the posts if you want to see them or better yet I will re-post them so everyone can see them. I have no idea why you seem so unhappy and right about now I do not give a damn why you are unhappy.  You wanted it to be personal and again I have no idea why you were upset about that post and then you were such a coward and deleted your posts but I understand why that happened.

You can comment on my posts but if you insult me or make it personal like you did with those comments then you will have to live with the comments.

My personal opinion is you a very unhappy person.  Why else would you log in as Nobody!!!!

Get back on your meds.

It actually turned out I was not mean to her a while back but posted something just like here they she thought was directed at her.  In retrospect after some of the emails she sent me the first time around she did fit the story I told.

After the above email she said she writes to me calmly and I go off the deep end which looks quite shallow from my viewpoint but I will leave that to the readers. All of this took place between 11/13 and 11/15 and I figured oh well it is over so forget about it until yesterday when she seems to have gone off her medication again.

For these emails and my comments on the blog I here the person whose name shall not be spoken has threatened me with shutting down my blog.  I guess I will leave it to the readers but here are the comments that started this just in case she deletes them again. She is welcome to comment but she needs to be warned comments are public property and I will save the person whose name shall not be spoken comments.

I leave it open to my readers to tell me if I was off the deep end in either my emails or response to the person whose name shall not be spoken. I do not believe I have because I have a right to defend myself from some crazy comments on my blog and derogatory remarks made elsewhere. I will leave to the person whose name shall not be spoken to post her own emails but that will not happen.  I apologize for the length of the post but it was necessary to provide as much information as possible and the following comments are added for further factual input. If I am wrong please let me know and I will attempt to no longer play with the "psycho animals" on the internet like the person whose name shall not be spoke.


Blogger nobody said...
@Kathryn,

It is such a curiosity that some people can claim certain things, while completely missing the point on which they based their previous attempts at vindicating their own internally conceived perceptions. (ICP) It's called self-induced ignorance. (SII) :) I think that it has something to do with a combination of inflated self-worth (ISW), and some previously mis-construed thoughts (MCT), coupled with a lack of conscientious observation. (LOCO) lol...I always wondered where that word came from. :)

In other words, I think that AnneRose is a basically good person, with good intentions, but she is becoming caught up in a web conjoined with like minds that begin to become blinded by each others addiction for claiming that they are better than thou. They don't know when to stop. They start off with a purpose, but end up with a "propuse". That word is Spanish, and it means "first-person singular". It becomes all about "I" (EGO).

In all honesty hon, I believe that it is better to just live one's own life, and not stick our noses into other's. The more I discover...the more I grimace. :(

Goodluck sweetheart. Just be yourself. If need be, just kick-ass, and walk away. You'll feel better for it, and it allows time to "reflect", which is something that seems to have been lost to some specially few.

kisses,


jh

November 26, 2010 7:17 AM

Blogger nobody said...
If I hadn't said it, sorry...I hope everyone who celebrated Thanksgiving ate too much. I hate feeling like I'm the only one. :(


For those who feel sad that Thanksgiving is over, I'm very sorry. I know the feeling. You make a beautiful, and delicious Apple Pie, and then it's gone. Demolished! Poof!


For those who still feel the need to oppose the Transgender Agenda after eating so much, I am very sorry also.

Try to understand that the intention is to not change the World, or the circumference of your stomach, but to fit stuff into it. Sometimes it takes a little "twisting", pushing, and forcing some of it down. If you eat too much of it, or if you are still stifled by the TG thingy, then just drink a some Diet Coke, or Sprite. A good "belch" works wonders.

:)

November 26, 2010 8:04 AM

Blogger nobody said...
I would like to make a comment about Your friend Elizabeth Turner. I removed what I wrote in her blogs because she is ignorant. I posted links. Without investigating what those links were about, Elizabeth rebutted with a nasty comment about a person "Natasha". Instead of Liz taking the time to read those links, she again said something stupid. :(

I have fought off many fakes...cruel, horrible people who aren't worth the shit they poop! But instead of Elizabeth taking the time out to read the truth, she again sucked herself into the same fucking ignorant trip she has been on for a very long time.

You Anne have joined that same team. Liz put me down long ago after she misread Harry Benjamin's book. She claimed that I was a fake, and her ignorance cost me some respect from people who otherwise had faith in me.

November 26, 2010 9:20 AM
Blogger nobody said...
You will turn into another Elizabeth Turner if you continue to follow "her" example. She, and you are now close to 65, and now just beginning the attempt to figure out what is happening with the meaning of transsexualism. 8#|

Big Fucking Deal! There is a lot more to worry about, like just living your own life! Why are people just now becoming alarmed about the mess out there? Why weren't you there supporting me, and those who were trying to hold on to the truth for all those years. NOW you all open your mouths??????? What? To become some kind of heroines????

November 26, 2010 9:29 AM

Blogger nobody said...
For your information, and the information of anyone who thinks otherwise...I REMOVED MYSELF FROM LYNN CONWAY's LIST OF SUCCESSES! I did it because I began to learn how mamy of those so-called women were not what they appeared! Many of them are hypocrites. Many of them lied to get where they are. Many of the very people who claimed to be True TS's are actually Autogynephiles...the very thing that Lynn Conway, and Andrea James would eventually reject as the "real thing" in their battle against Blanchard!

Lynn Conway called me personally one day to find out about one of them...a very famous person, who I knew personally. Lynn said things about that person that will forever ring in my ears. Lynn made some of the most transphobic comments I've ever heard. NOW, LYNN AND THAT PERSON ARE JOINED AS TG FRIENDS FIGHTING FOR THE SAME "NORMALIZATION", AND DEPATHOLIZATION OF THE TG CONDITION....WHICH INCLUDES "TRUE TRANSSEXUAL"!!!!!!

Do you really know who the real enemy is, or are you going to be just as ignorant as your friend "Elizabeth" or whoever she is really called?????


Why in Hell are you here now, when you really don't know what you are fighting for?

:(

November 26, 2010 9:44 AM

Blogger Elizabeth said...
To nobody,

I guess this is your attempt to out me so I appreciate that but then I guess it had to be expected since you are probably off your medication. Posting my full name is quite sad and you are quite pathetic.

I have avoided you at all cost because I wish you no harm. I have no time to read links about you and Natasha and the initial conflict a while back was not because I misread Harry Benjamin and since you have asked for it I may actually.

Out of the blue you attacked me over a posting that had nothing to do with me and now I will post all your comments because I saved them.

Anne I have no idea why this very sick individual has brought her issues with me to your blog.

She is a complete coward attempting to out me is beneath contempt and if she wants a war she has it.

November 26, 2010 12:43 PM

Blogger nobody said...
I didn't out you Liz. Your full name has appeared in several places which I will not mention. You figure it out if you feel you are so brilliant.

You never told me your name. When you emailed me, your full name appeared. I didn't out you. You out yourself. I blocked your email after you kept talking like an obsessed nutcase, just because I posted that your rants could turn you into a Monster (that is if you already aren't one).

Sorry hon, but you got my real name wrong.

I have issues? Your ignorance is your worse enemy. You can't justify it by saying that you have no time. ROTFLMFAO

You said: "Out of the blue you attacked me over a posting that had nothing to do with me and now I will post all your comments because I saved them."

Before you do that, you had better read the fine print of your blog account, and what happens if you personally break the agreement you accepted with them. :)

November 26, 2010 3:44 PM

Blogger nobody said...
@Liz

After I removed all my comments on your blog you made a comment that I must have been embarrassed, and that was why I removed them. I was not embarrassed sweetie, and if "you choose" to repost my comments for public view, then I will certainly embarrass you if that is your tactic.

November 26, 2010 3:56 PM

Blogger nobody said...
@Kathryn,

Anne urged me to keep blogging after I pretty much gave up on Liz (last posting):

http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2010/11/why-is-there-such-anger.html

Anne claimed several times that she is one to put people down. Here's one:

http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/2010/11/gay-transsexual.html

"OK...Te following is just ne old woman's opinion so you can all take it for what it is worth.

First of all, I have NO CLUE what this current donnybrook or little 'dust-up' is about, and I reallt don't want to know. What I DO know, is that the majority of those involved have been around this very ame block MORE than once and recognize what a self destructive waste of time and energy it is."
....and this: "Since it is my belief that we all share a common goal, like the betterment or smoothing of the path for future generations of childen who share our plight, might I suggest that rather than continue prticipating in the cicular firing squad we move on to more productive endeavors."

I wonder now why she bothered to say those things. Talk about Hypocrisy! :(

November 26, 2010 4:07 PM

Blogger nobody said...
"Anne claimed several times that she is one to put people down."

Oops! :( Sorry for the error: Anne claimed several times that she is NOT one to put people down.

November 26, 2010 4:12 PM




16 comments:

Anne said...

Hmmmmm.......

Angel said...

Frankly I'm not surprised. I've met more than a few transsexuals who are a few bubbles off.

Elizabeth said...

I do believe the person whose name shall not be spoken said it all when she claimed she had no idea what this little dust-up or donnybrook was about!!

Talk about being out of touch with reality. This was never going to end unless I ended it and I tried by just ignoring her but she took it to another site.

This individual has had these kind of issues in more places than this and with many other people besides me and I would like to say I don't know why but after doing some re-reading I do know why and if she wants to we can get into that also.

I would prefer it ends here and now but I kind of doubt that will happen. She is welcome to try and shut me down.

I do prefer the person whose name shall not be spoken over NOBODY so sorry for the Harry Potter reference about the evil lord.

Stephanie said...

All of this bickering as of late sounds like a pissing contest to me and no one has the right equipment. Just as the Bible can be interpreted in many ways so can all the documents about transsexualism. It is up to the readers interpretation. We still have the right to do whatever we want with our own body and it shouldn't matter to anyone else what we do. There's only one "category" for all of us. Human. Let's all act like one.

Anne said...

Two things...
First of all these are my words," ...no idea what this little dust-up or donnybrook was about!!". These are NOT 'nobody's' words. They are mine...so I hope you will get that one straight.

Secondly, I agree with Stephanie that, " We still have the right to do whatever we want with our own body and it shouldn't matter to anyone else what we do." I agree. Your body...your call.

However, when just and reasonable people remain silent in the face of bully tactics an demagoguery then tyranny prevails.

In this case it is the "leadership" of the TG agenda in the persons of Sandeen, Adams, Antonelli and countless others. Yes even NCTE together with the myriad other TG groups that have DEFINED the "TG narrtive/umbrella" to include pre-op and post-op men and women.

THese most vunerable of people are being offered up as unwilling examples and sacrificed on the altars of "bathroom equality" and marriage "equality" which are NOT our issues or the issues of TS men and women.
These are TV issues and arguably valid gay issues but they are clearly NOT the issues of pre-op or post-op men and women. Is it not OUR choice to support these issues or not?

Why was there never an "issue" over bathroom usage prior to ENDA?
How/where did all those 1000's of pre-op's go to the bathroom BEFORE the TG jauggernaut got involved?

Hmmmm....?

Elizabeth said...

@Stephanie,

This has never been a pissing contest from my side. I am just not accustom to allowing people to "go off" because they feel like it and this is the second time she has done this.

If you have read any of my blog I don't care what one does to their bodies. I have never said a word about this individual directly unless she has accosted me.

I did not start this back again and per usual she is fabricating her own little world which is fine by me but please leave me out of it is all I asked.

Elizabeth said...

@Anne,

It always degrades into this TS/TG thing and that is fine but this "dust-up or donnybrook" was not of my doing.

I do not give a shit what anyone does with their body and quite honestly I have no idea what this comment has to do with this post other than in the total confusion of everything posted I got something wrong. I apologize for that.

I owe you one because she brought it to your blog but this is about some crazy fool trying to push her insanity to include me. If you can read what she has posted and think it is the musings of a sane person then maybe I should just close my blog down.

Anne said...

Well...At least you me and I seem to be on the same page in terms of avoiding the madness.

I really do not understand the animosity. I DO see a problem with chicks with dicks claiming to be women. Even more troublesome is governmental recognition of this wackyness. I mean unless you are up for One World Government and sexless drone worker bees, what is the point of this movement in Spain?

Sophie said...

Actually you're wrong on one count.
The story of the trans person who thought they were blessed ? Who'd never had any issues before ? If you've still got any contact info on them I'd love to talk with them because that's basically what happened to me. A few hundred others seem to have had the same experience, usually out of some sort of exotic endocrine condition or with some DES component.
In my case it tends to be viewed as being an ambiguous rather than definitely female neurology that was violently tipped towards the female by a specific endocrine condition. In effect the onset of conscious transness came with the hormonal transition. And it wasn't waking up one day and thinking I was a woman, it was waking and seeing and thinking very differently in many ways. It was by exchanging how I was experiencing things with women,as much as anything, that I, and they, identified that as becoming female.
Just as I'm a woman without a girlhood, I'm also trans with no trans history. I might not say blessed, but that's the first thing that my oldest female friend said to me. And I do try and accept being thusly twiceborn as a gift rather than a curse.

Elizabeth said...

@Sophie

How old were you when this happened? Any history of cross-dressing? Are you sure you just don't have repressed memories?

Sophie said...

I'm 58. Cross dressing amounted to zero. Obviously there's always a chance of repressed stuff BUT I am a qualified psychologist and therapist, have had a lot of experience with psycho actives with no gender issues ever occurring, never had a whisper of being gay, ( and that includes some group sex when interacting with another male was not exactly forbidden ). I've always worn gender lightly in the sense that, for a guy, I was quite feminist but had zero connection to trans people and just the vague notion that all that was was something sexual.
I've got witnesses galore to the entire process. The hormonal bodily change actually isn't so weird and is not uncommon with my health condition. What's virtually unknown, or perhaps unreported , has been the neurological changes accompanying those.
I view the gender change very much in terms of perceptual /cognitive differences so now the world makes sense to me as to any other woman, and definitely not as a guy.
If this sounds like a whole wannabe thing...actually I have more than sufficient fame for what I do than anything relating to being trans,( doubts clarified on request ).

Elizabeth said...

@Sophie,

did your occupation deal with transsexuals as a therapist/psychologist?

Current evidence is starting to point to some form of hormonal issue in the womb which your condition kind of throws mud on.

I am done being judgmental so as long as you are happy do what you must to make yourself happy. Just be sure it is what you want. Once it is gone it isn't growing back.

Hugs

Liz

Sophie said...

Mentored a sex therapist for a while, but she specialised in frigidity. Otherwise, mainly cognitive.
I don't think my condition throws mud on the first trimester thing. It's also clear that some DES people experience sudden late life change. Actually I separate neurological effects into hormone and non-hormone related, and I think it's a reasonable working hypothesis to see cases like mine as down to hormone changes producing the activation of the neurological condition, whilst in 'classic' transexuals it's activated from birth.
But it does make for an interesting 'compare and contrast'.
I'm very very lucky in the circumstances of my social transition and happy with it, but it's not as if I had any choice after that waking moment.

Elizabeth said...

This is why I don't have many t-girl friends. lol its ok Liz.....I love ya girl. If you get shut down you can always come over to my blog and post whatever you like LOL.

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