Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Calie at T-Central

My lord Calie at least have the balls you still use and have the courage to place my name next to the quote from one of my blog posts you highlighted as a reason for the shift in "rules". Everyone that goes on T-Central knows the rules. Just where are they laid out anyway? I think your profile says everything about you. It reads:

I'm trans, non-transitioning, MtF, currently living in California, although I have lived many other places. I'm happily married. I love people, and enjoy meeting folks from around the world.
 Here is his blog entry.

Calie's blog post.
I think it is offensive having to use a female name for a man. What a freaking joke.

 Now this means we are required to only use female pronouns for some fool man that claims to be trans and a MTF, what kind we are not sure, but has not transitioned and as far as anyone knows has no intention of transitioning. What I wrote in that post was rants about the stupidity and idiocy of what is going on and I stand by every single word and what was said about Chloe Prince was taken straight from her own blog and writings which hopefully her new transbian partner will encourage her to delete. Yes our dear Chloe has left the wife or more aptly the wife left her but she will never admit that and dear Chloe has found love with another post mid-life transitioner who is post thus the new terminology of transbian. You have to love the craziness of some people.

Just to be sure here is my blog post link.

Comments, a few rants, observations, and pet peeves
I did not like it when they remove Jamie and his "Play Girl" blog because I believe in freedom of speech but Calie and Jenny and others believe in freedom of speech as long as you follow the basic guidelines of the transgender mantra. The rules are simple.

  1. Never question whether someone is a transsexual or not. Afterall they are the best judge of it. Actually NO they are not.
  2. Never make fun of someone like Zoe or Chloe Prince.  Bee sting and sudden feminization play well in the media and we must believe them. Despite the fact it is scientifically impossible for an adult male to spontaneously feminize unless they lived next to an estrogen factory but then that takes years to happen. Bullshit.
  3. Never question a transitioner that claims they suddenly realized they were transsexual and never had any belief they were girls or wanted to be girls.  This is particularly nasty if one questions a late transitioner.
  4. All men that transition later in life instantly know more about being women than women do and even those that have lived and worked as women their entire lives.
  5. Never ask the real big question which is simply if a wife stays with her husband through surgery then is that not a lesbian relationship.  Turns out it isn't according to them so it must still be a husband and a wife but that question nobody will ask or answer.
  6. Never question a seemingly know it all transsexual about whether they have had surgery. What they have for genitals is not relevant because they are still women. Well actually in most cases they are still just men in dresses playing girl and acting like men who know it all.  There are more than a few on T-Central
  7. Never question anyone that claims womanhood but denies that surgery is required. It is 3-1 they have not had surgery.
  8. Never question some fool that thinks they may "become" transsexual.  Doesn't work that way but do not say it.

I could go on forever but the men running T-Central prefer good happy Transgender stuff like "when I wore heels for the first time  it was wonderful and I got aroused" or the transvestite that eagerly posts every picture of some man in a dress.  Actually they make more sense than many of the nutcases claiming transsexuality.

Just to make things clear I read Chloe Prince's blog from her first post to her last post. Prince started as a transvestite and morphed into a "transsexual". If it is still there and I suggest reading it.  I actually read everything I could about Zoe Brain and what I said was factual and was meant to be sarcastic because low and behold I actually was a "real" Rocket Scientist unlike Zoe who is smart but decidedly not what she claims. I then checked with friends in the medical community that had to control their laughter in both cases.  I know Chloe now claims the "bee sting" was taken out of context but doesn't Chloe also claim intersex. They make so many bizarre claims one does lose track.


Just change T-Central to Transgender-Central and have truth in advertising so those truly transsexual will know to stay away.



20 comments:

Anonymous said...

I really have had it with these clowns and charlatans.

What these people do is avoid the places where the truth is spoken and prevent debate within their own media. This is called censorship. It stinks and it is powered by fantasy, meglamania. testosterone and dogma.

Cassandraspeaks

Not your friend said...

What is the obsession with that tranny ghetto anyway.
I have been there twice and all I see are closet transvestites.

An easy target is not a rewarding target.

Dawn1257 said...

Elizabeth,

I don't know if you desire to hear anymore from me or not. Yet, there are unresolved issues in my own mind about where the line is drawn in your world as to who is and who is not a transsexual. I have only visited T Central twice that I can recall. Those times where only because of postings here and from Anne's blog. Both times I found I was unable to even view the blogs listed there for the simple reason the titling of the blogs were unappealing and of a taste for what I saw as a debauchery of twisted sexual perversion.

Whether or not any of these people are transsexual is not the actual issue for me. For me, I find it sad that people feel a need to expose their proclivities in such a manner and in such a public way. I feel this is further proof of a comment I posted in your last blog article. That being, that the 'T' in the LGBT fail in their public perception campaign directed toward the more mainstream of society for this simple reason, they are seen as deviants no matter what truly good ambitions may be sought within the legislative arena's.

Like you, I do not believe in spontaneous transsexualism. I think the idea and insistence for the occurrence of it may be grounds for close scrutiny by qualified mental health professionals. Seriously, a bee sting? I may be out there by some people's measure, but at least I know where to draw the line! Legitimizing a condition from such an unsupportable premise is laughable. My interests in the hows and whys of what causes transsexualism are locked in the truly supportable scientific realm of reality. Why I am transsexual interests me greatly. I truly do feel there is a neurobiological reason for it. That, in some cases those reasons night be easier seen than in some others. In that regard my own medical facts are well documented.

Unfortunately continued:

Dawn1257 said...

I have no desire to “make this about Dawn” as was claimed in the last article of yours. But, the choir gets rather old to listen to. So, I hang around here to at least represent an opinion as a loyal antagonist. In that light, you asked, or rather stated the following as questioning facts. I understand that your representation is based upon your feelings for the T-Central staff, yet, I'd like to offer a response to these because the formation of them is rather generic of an intended target:

"1.Never question whether someone is a transsexual or not. Afterall they are the best judge of it. Actually NO they are not."

I agree with you here. If you do not know that you are suffering from transsexualism and/or had never heard of it, you should seek qualified professional help before it's too late. Diagnosing yourself is a recipe for disaster.

"2.Never make fun of someone like Zoe or Chloe Prince.  Bee sting and sudden feminization play well in the media and we must believe them. Despite the fact it is scientifically impossible for an adult male to spontaneously feminize unless they lived next to an estrogen factory but then that takes years to happen. Bullshit."

Making fun of anyone is bullying in it's purest form. However, debate of the issue is much more effective in achieving positive results to repudiate the indefensible.

"3.Never question a transitioner that claims they suddenly realized they were transsexual and never had any belief they were girls or wanted to be girls.  This is particularly nasty if one questions a late transitioner."

I think it is completely legitimate to question someone who says they are who they are. If done so respectfully. In my own case, I never once “suddenly” realized I was transsexual. It was a long process which began with an unending internal questioning about why I felt so different than what other boys wanted to do, play with, act like, or become. When my social interactions were focused upon all things female, they were forcibly redirected away by a maternal grandmother who was quite physical in persuasion.

"4.All men that transition later in life instantly know more about being women than women do and even those that have lived and worked as women their entire lives."

As this might be perceived as such, I assure you, I do not know, and did not know instantly what being a woman is, was, or ought to be! I still do not.
I can say that in my entire life, I have always been respectful of woman for the inequities they suffered and never once did I ever think that women were incapable of achieving anything a man can do. I supported and prodded my own daughter to do more than what 'men' thought she should. To set her sights on being the best in anything she desired to do. That there was nothing in this world outside of her possibilities. I did so even more than the prodding and support that I gave my son.

Continued yet again:

Dawn1257 said...

"5.Never ask the real big question which is simply if a wife stays with her husband through surgery then is that not a lesbian relationship.  Turns out it isn't according to them so it must still be a husband and a wife but that question nobody will ask or answer.

As I am not yet through surgery, this is a reserved answer. In my own case, my wife wishes for us to remain together, as do I. We both know though that we're uncertain how we will feel after surgery. It's a door as yet unopened. She does not identify as lesbian. Nor do I. I am asexual. Will I be after my surgery? I do not know. What her tolerance is for the loss of the symbolage of whom she married, is again uncertain. In any case, I am prepared for, and will accept whatever she comes to in her own thoughts and awareness.

"6.Never question a seemingly know it all transsexual about whether they have had surgery. What they have for genitals is not relevant because they are still women. Well actually in most cases they are still just men in dresses playing girl and acting like men who know it all.  There are more than a few on T-Central"

As I do not think I am a “know-it-all”, I do not have a more adequate response to this. Except that I as a pre-op transsexual would emphatically resent being thought of as “playing” some sort of game. This IS NOT A GAME! This is real life. It is my life. It is my wife's life.

"7.Never question anyone that claims womanhood but denies that surgery is required. It is 3-1 they have not had surgery."

I can only speak for myself. The experience that is womanhood and that it is so richly guarded, is I suppose legitimately withheld from me as it should be. I seek it. I truly do. But, can you imagine how I will feel if there continues to be no way for me to reach the day of completeness, that of having surgery? Yes, I believe it is required. It is required as a solution to the problem of the medical condition I have. Not being able to achieve that solution only holds the experience of womanhood on the other side of an uncrossable abyss.

"8.Never question some fool that thinks they may "become" transsexual.  Doesn't work that way but do not say it."

All I can say is, one cannot become what one is not. I never “became” anything. I am though what I am. I am transsexual, not fully transitioned, and await completion to live as the woman I always should rightly have been.

Anonymous said...

Dawn, I know you've stated that you will not respond directly to anything I say so I really am not expecting a response to this. By the way, is there any chance you could adopt some brevity with your comments? It's like reading war and peace with you.

I have consistantly said what you do with your life is in the final analysis your business and no-one else save you and your family. I have little doubt that there is genuine distress in you and you deal with it in the best way you can; I get that I really do. I've seen a large number of people in your type of situation and formed theories and opinions based on that experience. I stress that the opinions are based on the experience and not on my own life story.

I don't believe in Zucker like "reparitive therapy" or any other kind of theological processes that claim "cures" What I do believe is that there are in reality two motivational forces that drive people towards some kind of transition. The source of that drive is different one to the other and not connected though the effects appear similar the foundation is different.

So when I refute an individuals claim to transsexuality it actually means that my belief is that the root cause of their actions lays in another condition. I refute the premise that someone is transsexual because they say they are. Leigh said it very well, at your stage Dawn you are "paddling" and yet seem to think you can swim in the deep waters. What is happenning to you on this blog in particular is that you are drowning in the deep waters. Being "out" and in a situation where everyone knows that you have a history of life as a male is quite different to one where that history is neither known nor suspected. It is a whole different solar system never mind planet.

Cassandraspeaks

Dawn1257 said...

Okay Cassandra, I'll go another round. I'll do my best to keep it short and sweet. However, I find that short and sweet answers are far to easy to counter with misled understandings as to true meaning.

Would that foundation be something like, Borderline Personality Disorder? If so, I assure you that it has been ruled out. Even though you've claimed that I suffer from some form of delusion, I do not. I'm as rational and stable as any other normal person.

"Leigh said it very well, at your stage Dawn you are "paddling" and yet seem to think you can swim in the deep waters. What is happenning to you on this blog in particular is that you are drowning in the deep waters"

Look, I think I have made it abundantly clear in previous comments; I do not presume to know everything about what it means to be transsexual, let alone being a woman. I am willing to listen to others. I have good guides in the people close to me. I have opinions as any other person does. If I am shown facts that do not substantiate my own understandings I am big enough to admit it, accommodate for it, and realign my thoughts to it. But, by hiding what you're trying to say in metaphors is very frustrating, to say the least, and not at all worth the time to take it seriously.

BTW, I didn't make the claim that I am transsexual all on my own as you are implying. I was diagnosed as such, professionally. And, might I add, not by someone who was eagerly willing to do so. I spent three years in her care over it.

Finally. Yes, in the town I live, a lot of people know me, know of me and react positively toward me. No, I do not know what they say behind closed doors and do not care. But, do you really think I don't travel to other places? Would it surprise you to know that sometimes I even travel alone? I will extend the comments I have made before about never, ever having a bad experience, negativity, ridicule, chastising, questioning, confronting, laughter, or even confrontation to that of people in other towns, and States I have visited. I am NEVER misgendered when addressed. It's never happened, not once. So, life outside my little hamlet is not something I am worried over nor concerned about. I think my profile picture which you can see is enough to show you the truth in that.

Sorry, that's as short as I could make it.

Deena said...

@ Dawn. OK I'm confused. Elizabeth creates a post focused on the unbelievable and you want to discuss what appears to me to be some sort of validation of your experiences. Help me out here. Because you pointed to it I checked out your picture. Do you want blatant honesty or would you prefer an "oh sweetie you look lovely"?

Fionnuala said...

"I have no desire to make this about Dawn."

*writes 1,757 words about Dawn*


Umm, yeah. Typical self-absorbed transgender person. Good luck with that.

Elizabeth said...

@Fionnuala

Dawn makes it about Dawn.

Dawn1257 said...

@Deena,

I wasn't asking for your opinion nor anyone else's about my picture. Mine was a response to an assertion by Cassandra. Nothing more, nothing less. So much for brevity, eh? As I said in the very first line of my comment, "misled understandings as to true meaning". You my dear, didn't just took it hook, line and sinker; then you sank with it.

@Fionnuala,

Umm, ya know, it's kinda' hard to let others see what your thinking without saying it. Especially when your ASKED a series of questions! Take it anyway you want to. But, I was relaying a response to questions asked/assertions made. So stuff it!

@ Elizabeth,

Goodbye.

Deena said...

@ Dawn Aw poor baby. Did I forget to play fair?

Anonymous said...

@Casandraspeaks/EvengelinaCarters

Look at your hands--did they ever do work typically associated with men?

She Said

Elizabeth said...

@She Said

I bet you made a lot of money as a man. I might even bet you are still working as a man but then in order to not MIS-PRONOUN you I better not.

Deena said...

Elizabeth I wandered over to http://transformingfamily.org/

Please take a look and let me know what you think. It looks to me like something worthy of support.

Kathryn Martin said...

"What these people do is avoid the places where the truth is spoken and prevent debate within their own media. This is called censorship. It stinks and it is powered by fantasy, megalomania. testosterone and dogma."

Cassandra, I have much respect for you but I am not sure that they prevent debate and avoid places where truth is spoken. There are rules of civility, no? I think that if it was all about truth and debate there would be little to complain.

@She said, I don't understand the question in the context? It's ...non-sequitur?

@Elizabeth, not sure what money has to do with anything? Is making money bad?

Anonymous said...

@Kathryn, Look you would think so wouldn't you.
I am happy to debate issues, it is one of life's joys.
I think perhaps if I explain further; what I was referring to was the intention of T Central to consign comments and essays they did not like to either the trash can or hide them in some "sin bin". The other part of that comment was a reference to Calie in particular who does not contribute to debates on blogs like Ben Girl Notes from The T side or Anne's blog. I have not seen Anne at Enough Nonsense either. These are all blogs that take an opposing view to the more liberal aspects of transgenderism.

When I referred to preventing debate I had in mind the type of comments that appear if any definition of transsexuality is opined that leaves non ops on the "wrong" side of the definition. The wails of foul play deafen and stiffle any debate that might otherwise end up fruitful.

Cassandraspeaks

Kathryn Martin said...

Cassandra, I agree that there is too much "wails of foul play" and "truth" and it all so often it is short on facts and a real desire to understand points of view. I am as guilty of that as anyone at times.

The sensitivities that have developed on this subject are often to the point of the bizarre, and as you say stifle and deafen. Sad, and too often silly.

Alhana said...

I came here via a google search about Chloe Prince bee sting.

All of you who have posted on this blog are so sad and pathetic. ALL OF YOU.

You sound like a bunch of bickering old men.

To the person who claims to be a true transsexual viz. woman - why are you posting on transsexual forums in the first place? I don't know of any genetic women who peruse transsexual forums.

To the older transitioner who has written reams about herself. Get over yourself. You don't need to justify yourself to anybody. You just sound like a whiny child saying "I'm not like that - look at me, I'm different".

To the rest of you who have posted smarmy comments - you should go back to high school.

The fact is - ALL OF US WERE BORN MALE, late and young transitioner alike. Accept that and get over yourself. None of us in the trans scrapheap are better than the other. Society sees all of us as freaks to be pitied or vilified, no matter how kind they are to our face.

You're all so pathetic.

Elizabeth said...

@Alhana

ROFLMAO. The problem is and always will be whiny little losers like you. Go back to transvestite center or where ever you exist and keep telling yourself your were male. I was born a boy bit was never one and let go of that a long time ago which is obviously something you are incapable of letting go of.