tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post6325305781004325087..comments2023-04-26T23:19:46.504-04:00Comments on Notes from the T side: Florence Colorado and LinkageElizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-55700980369174586382013-11-18T16:27:29.980-05:002013-11-18T16:27:29.980-05:00Oops! That shoul be Canada not Candad!Oops! That shoul be Canada not Candad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-50160471361340642332013-11-18T14:26:34.939-05:002013-11-18T14:26:34.939-05:00Like a bad penny JJ will soon be back. Tommy is un...Like a bad penny JJ will soon be back. Tommy is unable to stay away. I see he has dedicated another post to my comments - and yet again has blamed the wrong person! It seems Tommy lacks the intellectual capacity to realise that more than one person thinks he is an object of ridicule and not a fan of his. He blames someone allegedly from Candad called DL for the comments but he isn't even on the right continent - I'm in England and if Tommy bothered to look at the flag counter on his posts he would see my calling card from the land of the stolen hubcaps. On the other hand, we all know Tommy is just a delusional plonker with the intellectual capacity of a grain of sand - and that is being generous.<br /><br />A true TS from England who JJ still misidentifies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-50343084078354772032013-11-18T10:05:24.489-05:002013-11-18T10:05:24.489-05:00So I see the bashing continues.
So much for this...So I see the bashing continues. <br /><br />So much for this place being a credible place to discuss such issues. <br /><br />I am very disappointed. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-55228415987482581652013-11-17T17:37:36.002-05:002013-11-17T17:37:36.002-05:00@BS the point about "people Bashing" for...@BS the point about "people Bashing" for the sake of it is well taken but I don't think that is what is happening here. What I have always been about and you of all people should know this because we had the conversation a while back, is defining transsexuality as a condition separate from transgenderism. Something I believe would benefit both groups since appropriate medical and psychological help specific to each condition would then be available. That is going to put me at odds with a lot of people like Just Jennifer. Now avoiding horizontal hostility as you put it I have to say that JJ is hardly an innocent bystander in such behavior and when attacked by those like JJ defense is appropriate otherwise people like JJ get to define transsexuality. In regards to yourself and horizontal hostility; people in glass houses should not throw stones. Perhaps you have forgotten threats made to me and others unless we change attitude. I have not. So please do not come the holier than thou attitude now. <br /><br />Who actually made the prediction that CW would link Francis to Colorado is a side issue the fact is the link was made and I think Elizabeth has a right to challenge that link as she has done. It was done with candour acknowledging the good work CW did in the case. JJ has her own outlet for her opinions perhaps it would be best if she used that medium rather than Liz's for self aggrandisement. Besides JJ is an irrelevant intellectual lightweight.<br /><br />Cassansdraspeaks Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-40138778745915668692013-11-17T15:25:44.725-05:002013-11-17T15:25:44.725-05:00JJ isn't one of my favorite people. She's ...JJ isn't one of my favorite people. She's a crank and annoying. Nevertheless, what's to be gained by cruelty?<br /><br />- an old auntyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-10829905379289035642013-11-17T11:41:09.610-05:002013-11-17T11:41:09.610-05:00I have been guilty of this, I've been sucked i...I have been guilty of this, I've been sucked into the vortex a few times myself, so I'm not innocent here, but OMG the horizotal hostility is strong with this topic; Older vs Yonger transitioner. This ingroup cyber-bullying is becoming a spectator sport to the non-TS/TG population. <br /><br />Each accuse the other for starting it, and it goes nowhere with the topic becoming "the fight," having nothing to do with the original post. <br /><br />http://www.infobarrel.com/Lateral_Hostility_and_the_Transgender_Woman<br /><br />It's why I disengage from this conversation all together. <br /><br />Black Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802542636695652253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-87536653661084918462013-11-17T07:52:55.677-05:002013-11-17T07:52:55.677-05:00I didn't know this blog had become a sounding ...I didn't know this blog had become a sounding board for issues surrounding Just Jennifer. <br /><br />My how the world has changed.<br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-44303724758648421602013-11-16T22:52:57.054-05:002013-11-16T22:52:57.054-05:00Perhaps the message hasn't sunk into JJ yet - ...Perhaps the message hasn't sunk into JJ yet - wife-beating men aren't welcome here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-65086660502922887842013-11-16T22:44:08.941-05:002013-11-16T22:44:08.941-05:00JJ is like a pension cheque issued by the late Rob...JJ is like a pension cheque issued by the late Robert Maxwell - made of rubber and keeps bouncing back. Or, to put it in simpleton language JJ may understand - JJ is a bad penny.<br /><br />JJ has no credibility whatsoever when it comes to TS issues - and can never understand what it is to be a young TS because JJ is an autogynophiliac. JJ is the perfect example of the AG as described by Bailey in "The Man Who Would Be Queen".<br /><br />Let's not forget that during the failed transition JJ referred to itself as "more than a tranvestite but less than a transsexual". If not a TS then how on earth can JJ suddenly be TS all these years later. The simple fact is that JJ's backstory lacks consistency and credibility.<br /><br />So, JJ, do us all a massive favour here and depart back to your own manor please, leaving this blog to genuine TS.<br /><br />A true TS misidentified by JJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-24249819320064201662013-11-16T08:51:55.936-05:002013-11-16T08:51:55.936-05:00Without educating the public on what differences t...Without educating the public on what differences there are between us and the Tee-Gees, any discussion of TG/TS issues is moot, we will continue to let the Tee-Gees and the homosexual community define us. <br /><br />We are doing what some of us once accused the Tee-Gees of doing, talking to ourselves. Autumn Sandeen is correct in saying we have no activism. Like it or not you have to give them credit for pushing their cause, it may be at our expense but we let them push their cause at our expense. <br /><br />All of this is meaningless until someone decides to stand up for our cause. <br /><br />NYF Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-41641997289661207752013-11-15T16:59:45.265-05:002013-11-15T16:59:45.265-05:00I thought Jennifer had flounced off never to retur...I thought Jennifer had flounced off never to return. So now we are invited to read more drivel. Every now and the wild shooting will hit the target which is what happened here.<br /><br />Look, as far as I'm concerned JJ is irrelevant in TS/TG debates anything said by JJ ignored. Cristan Williams has a history of ending up with egg all over her face as she did with the Niki Aragus case albeit not her fault. What makes CW untrustworthy when involving herself in cases like our Jane Doe is she does have an agenda she wants to push whatever the consequences. As far as the TG like CW are concerned, we and Jane Doe are collateral damage and expendable. This linkage to Francis was inevitable.<br /><br />CassandraspeaksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-55547971016625470242013-11-15T01:42:15.468-05:002013-11-15T01:42:15.468-05:00@Just Jennifer
You imply again and again you are ...@Just Jennifer<br /><br />You imply again and again you are not sure this child is transsexual and you bring up the kid whose skirt was set on fire as an example. These are two distinctly different cases and have not one thing to do with the other yet you tried your own version of linkage.<br /><br />Just for your edification a straw man argument is a logical fallacy or an Aunt Sally as it is called in the UK. I have not attempted to in any way shape or form misrepresent your position. I ripped it to shreds because it is based on your opposition to Cristan Williams and has not one thing to do with the facts in the case.<br /><br />As for the "failed" transition you yourself claimed a therapist caused you to stop transition, as in fail, and wait 7 years. The analogy I intended was poorly phrased because I had to get back to guests I had this evening. The simple truth is I can or could use that to claim you were never transsexual which is cruel but then you have been cruel to a 16 year old transsexual who did transition at 14 and did not stop.<br /><br />You should simply STFU because you continually make my point by what your write but then again some people do enjoy opening their mouth and inserting their foot and chewing on it. Does it taste good? Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-63789596166586273202013-11-15T01:17:21.515-05:002013-11-15T01:17:21.515-05:00Well, virulently opposed is closer to right than y...Well, virulently opposed is closer to right than your first two guesses. <br /><br />I hesitated to respond after your last round of arrogant nastiness. Oh well, I have better things to than swap insults with someone who is so insecure hey have to act like Suzan Cooke and pretend to be superior. <br /><br />And seriously, a straw man argument? No, I did not "fail" at transition. I suspect you know better, but just couldn't resist. <br /><br />I should have home with my first instinct and ignored you. I won't make that mistake again. Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-4734174417289581922013-11-14T21:39:32.062-05:002013-11-14T21:39:32.062-05:00Getting a clue? What clue would that be? Maybe hat...Getting a clue? What clue would that be? Maybe hate is not the correct word for your feelings about Williams. Shall we try obsessed. How about virulently opposed to Williams. <br /><br />I realize you have a very limited IQ but the comment about the trees and the forest was intended for someone to realize your view of Williams clouded your view of Jane Doe and you prove it again. Your "if this kid is transsexual" comment says a lot about you. She is but then you being one of the loons that destroyed HBS would somehow think you know.<br /><br />You are claiming that my view of the child has obscured my view of the forest which is incorrect but then it might take a week to explain that to a simpleton like you.<br /><br />It has never been about me but I will not deny my life makes me sympathetic to any kid that has either gender or even orientation issues. That is because I am a compassionate person and care deeply about kids and they always get the benefit of the doubt and that includes the kid whose skirt was burned.<br /><br />You learn from your mistakes? You make so many that must take all your waking hours. So you will know better the next time. Is that what you said when you flunked transition and just for your edification a therapist cannot cause you to fail transition unless you should have failed transition.<br /><br />Actually never met a transsexual that failed transtion.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-61893602398912860112013-11-14T20:05:52.174-05:002013-11-14T20:05:52.174-05:00Oh well, I tried being nice.
No, hate is a waste...Oh well, I tried being nice. <br /><br />No, hate is a waste of time. I realize that idea is lost on some. It is too easy to cry hate, rather than actually deal with what people say. <br /><br />If this child is legitimately transsexual, then Williams will do far more harm than anyone else. If not, and I realize you are blind to that possibility (even as the news media reports about an obvious example of a teenager who is NOT transsexual here in the Bay Atea who was set on fire) then it is kind of moot. Now, I think the boy who set fire to the local teen should be severely punished. But the case does show that not every teen is "really" transsexual. <br /><br />No, I don't hate Williams or anyone else, but I do <b>STRONGLY</b> oppose his extremist agenda. No, his involvement is not commendable. His involvement raises serious doubts about the veracity of pretty much everything we know about this case, since he is msnipulating the story. <br /><br />I thought you might be getting a clue, but no, you still are determined to see things as being about you. <br /><br />Well, again, I learn from my mistakes. I'll know better next time. Some people can't admit they might have made a mistake. Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-49688334230465913132013-11-14T17:32:47.617-05:002013-11-14T17:32:47.617-05:00You acted as you did because you hate Williams and...You acted as you did because you hate Williams and you can deny that all you want and your position on the child was untenable. You let personal bias put you on the wrong side of a child being bullied and I find that disgusting.<br /><br />What Williams did for the child was commendable and when she decided to try linkage I called her on it because she is wrong. That is called being able to see the trees and the forest at the same time. <br /><br />In this case saving and helping this child was more important than trying to stop some ulterior motive by the transgender crowd by denying the child when the situation was obvious.<br /><br /><br />Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-91962834597713236922013-11-14T16:13:15.546-05:002013-11-14T16:13:15.546-05:00I tried to tell you... But you had to be insultin... I tried to tell you... But you had to be insulting, and rather nasty. As I said, I have NO INTEREST in harm coming to "Jane Doe" or any other child. But as I also pointed out, Mr. Williams could care less about them, and is only interested in pushing a very radical agenda.<br /><br />Ironically, I was about to write about this same subject when I happened to check in here and saw this article.<br /><br />This sort of thing from Williams, which is actually where I first read about the Colorado case, is why I originally reacted as I did.<br /><br />To repeat, I do not consider PJI or Williams to have any serious validity. At best, I would strongly question what either of them says, and would only accept something they claim as fact if verified through a reliable <b>and completely unrelated source. </b>Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.com