tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post5896105380457752034..comments2023-04-26T23:19:46.504-04:00Comments on Notes from the T side: Diagnosis of TranssexualismElizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-61099074546820642682011-11-18T21:54:30.412-05:002011-11-18T21:54:30.412-05:00See, here is the 'thang', Rebecca. What y...See, here is the 'thang', Rebecca. What you might describe as "trans" people most likely is NOT what I would describe, or even remotely resemble an individual who might have undergone genital reconstruction surgery, 30 or 40 years ago.<br /><br />You see "Rebecca", these older folks NEVER were "trans". We suffered from a MEDICAL MALADY which was subsequenty "cured" or "corrected" as a result of said surgery.<br /><br />I don't see anybody "bashing" trans-people. I see people calling IDIOTS, MORONS, and LOSERS, just what they ARE. And I also see these so called, self-described "trans" people, baiting, taunting and disparaging those very few women of history who have made the effort to speak out against the TG Borg Hive think that is "Occupying" the blogosphere.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-48303957649698284602011-11-18T21:16:50.747-05:002011-11-18T21:16:50.747-05:00@Rebecca
I think that if that is what you reduce ...@Rebecca<br /><br />I think that if that is what you reduce this discussion to (the "bashing" of people with different experiences) then you fail to true meaning of this discussion and the importance of that meaning, to people born transsexual.<br /><br />Further, you suggest you're "better" than those who "bash" others and that you "grew out of that", yet in the next sentence you do just that.<br /><br />Most would call you a hypocrite and I personally think they wouldn't be wrong.<br /><br />Unfortunatly Rebecca, SAYING that you're a better person, that you've taken the moral high ground, that you ARE something, or that you've DONE something, does NOT make that the truth.<br /><br />And THAT IS the point of this discussion.<br /><br />We live in a world were actions speak louder than words.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-7353800651119215912011-11-18T20:29:53.737-05:002011-11-18T20:29:53.737-05:00@ Rebecca ... No need to wait. You just did an exc...@ Rebecca ... No need to wait. You just did an excellent job of it when you said "I really dread the day I hit the 30 year mark and I supposedly will start acting out like that again."Deenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14347031772197022065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-60494168065485896562011-11-18T19:55:43.276-05:002011-11-18T19:55:43.276-05:00"You mention "the needs" of a 30-40..."You mention "the needs" of a 30-40 year post-op, I wonder what they might be? "<br /><br />From reading blogs like these, bashing people with different experiences of being trans seems to be the norm. Doesn't really seem well adjusted to me.. I think I grew out of that behaviour first or second year being of post op. I really dread the day I hit the 30 year mark and I supposedly will start acting out like that again. Or maybe, hopefully, it's a generation thingRebecca Lhttp://nourl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-2706807875578272072011-11-16T02:26:45.437-05:002011-11-16T02:26:45.437-05:00Maybe we could clear this up if we just spoke simp...Maybe we could clear this up if we just spoke simple English. <br /><br />Personally, for me, all I need is a warm comfortable home, good food, fresh water, clean air and a good man to share this with.<br /><br />Fortunately, I am extremely blessed to have been blessed with all of the above. I think that it should be noted that those needs have not really changed in over 40 years.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-18213883906401904662011-11-16T01:28:39.463-05:002011-11-16T01:28:39.463-05:00Oooohhhh!.... You're a ditz!
Oh okay!
I unde...Oooohhhh!.... You're a ditz!<br /><br />Oh okay!<br /><br />I understand, THAT changes EVERYTHING!<br /><br />Here endith my thread jack, permanently!<br /><br />My appologies Liz.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-53661678373686458672011-11-15T22:58:01.032-05:002011-11-15T22:58:01.032-05:00Now now Van don't get all worked up. I told yo...Now now Van don't get all worked up. I told you I'm a ditz. You see you confused me. You claim to be a woman but yet you had asked questions about being one so I was a bit taken back.Deenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14347031772197022065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-60015447659171317682011-11-15T18:05:58.555-05:002011-11-15T18:05:58.555-05:00@Anne, kinda thought it'd be something like th...@Anne, kinda thought it'd be something like that ;-P<br /><br />@Deena, YOU saw MY comment as facetious and laden with venom so you YOU commented, and ME, I! am the Internet content cop?...<br /><br />Say it with me folks hypocrite!<br /><br />I'm not sensitive at all, however I would have thought your extensive knowledge of women would have taught you that we don't like to be spoken to condescendingly as you did to me, especially by those whom, for all we know, may be pretenders themselves.<br /><br />I have had two blogs in fact, the second of which I've only recently made private, would you like an invite?, it's nothing exciting like the stuff here, just boring old me and the things I'm dealing with.<br /><br />A couple of things:<br /><br /> I don't veiw my self as the Internet content police, I have neither the time or the energy. I do however believe that there should be more accountability for the things people say, because many people who are scared, impressionable, and dealing with a very dangerous condition read this stuff and the freedom from fear of/prosecution means people can and will say things that are false and dangerous.<br /><br />Sometimes people ask a question they already know the answer to, simply to get information out there.<br /><br />You said wait 45years and I'll understand.<br /><br />Time does not bring knowledge or wisdom, experience does.<br /><br />And no, I don't expect you to WATCH a private conversation, but I do know human nature.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-1620213208550196602011-11-15T00:10:56.388-05:002011-11-15T00:10:56.388-05:00Well...OK. Having given this soe extensve thought...Well...OK. Having given this soe extensve thought, (not my strong point), I guess I wouuld start with about 30,000,000,000.00<br />hMMM...LET'S SEE...A NEW Benz, Eternal youth, A new Cessna Citation, with pilot, and ahhhh.....World Peace.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-24825646060653246982011-11-14T23:33:39.996-05:002011-11-14T23:33:39.996-05:00Oh Gosh Van I didn't realize you were so sensi...Oh Gosh Van I didn't realize you were so sensitive. It is OK with me if you want to play at being internet content cop but just don't expect me or anyone else to watch a private conversation without commenting. If that is what you demand then you need to do a blog of your own and moderate comments. <br /><br />I don't wish you any harm but I saw your question as facetious and laden with venom. Perhaps I misinterpreted your intentions. I am a ditz and often wrong about these matters. Perhaps you can clarify what you need to know about women.Deenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14347031772197022065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-50156299649919704262011-11-14T04:24:34.594-05:002011-11-14T04:24:34.594-05:00Ah, I'm sorry, is there more than one Anne her...Ah, I'm sorry, is there more than one Anne here?....<br /><br />I didn't think I asked Deena anything.<br /><br />I don't need to "relax" Deena, and interestingly I can't seem to find anything about your history including whether or not you fit into that 30-40 year post-op bracket yourself and therefore know or could answer the question yourself.<br /><br />I am one of those young "impressionable" pre-ops who's conversed quite a bit with Anne, I have a bit of respect for some of the things she has to say and I've listened to her and others here tell me that SRS "cured" her condition. <br /><br />Now I would think if "cured" of it, you'd no longer have "needs" relative to it (I have been wrong before which is why I asked the question), so If there are needs, I'm keen to know what they might be.<br /><br />Kindly keep out of it and let Anne answer the question I asked HER.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-25063150781087697482011-11-14T03:37:17.933-05:002011-11-14T03:37:17.933-05:00ahh...
hmmmm....
well......
I'll have to th...ahh...<br /><br />hmmmm....<br /><br />well......<br /><br />I'll have to think about that....Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-64396093513348379992011-11-13T18:39:40.496-05:002011-11-13T18:39:40.496-05:00Relax Van .... 45 years from now you will understa...Relax Van .... 45 years from now you will understand.Deenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14347031772197022065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-33005208379650166022011-11-12T18:43:30.396-05:002011-11-12T18:43:30.396-05:00Anne,
Please forgive my ignorance, my question com...Anne,<br />Please forgive my ignorance, my question comes only because I'm not there yet and so I can't answer the question myself.<br /><br />You mention "the needs" of a 30-40 year post-op, I wonder what they might be?Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-90218652663700877352011-11-11T14:54:41.786-05:002011-11-11T14:54:41.786-05:00There is no question in my mind that folks like Am...There is no question in my mind that folks like Amber have issues.<br /><br />It is also quite clear that those "issues" differ significantly from those issues associated with a trans-sexual condition. <br /><br />Those differences have been explored and discussed at some length on this blog, on my blog and on the blogs of others.<br /><br />That signigicant DIFFERENCES exist is NOT the issue. The issue is the exteremely negative RESULTS of conflating these very DIFFERENT conditions.<br /><br />Insisting on a "one size fits all" or "equality" is sheer madness.<br /><br />It should be MORE than obvious that the needs of a 30 or 40 year post-op will be much different than those of a 40 or 50 y/o later in life "transitioner"...whose needs will differ significantly from those of a full time X-dressing "transgender" or "trans-woman".<br /><br />It really all comes down to a diagnosis. How can there be no distinction between someone like "Amber" who has "discovered/decided" later in life, that it feels better or "more comfortable" living the role of a woman....and a pre-pubescent child who absolutely KNOWS that their sexual morphology, (their GENITALS), are ALL WRONG?Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-47030246995749373312011-11-09T04:39:39.556-05:002011-11-09T04:39:39.556-05:00"I never cross dressed, when I did it was not..."I never cross dressed, when I did it was not sexual"~ Amber<br /><br />Anyone else see a contradiction here?<br /><br />"Not all people who transition fit the traditional definition of transexual."~ Amber<br /><br />Well, at least that part's accurate.<br /><br />"Some, like me merely discover that life as a woman is much more comfortable and makes us personally much happier."~ Amber<br /><br />Apparently that's all it takes!... total Psycho-sexual Inversion (IE girl brain/sex identity, boy body) none of that is important, anyone can do and be what they want now, because, as the mainstream population now understands; we're all just different levels of freak.<br /><br />"I do know a lot of people on the internet get very angry about these things which dont really seem all that important."~ Amber<br /><br />You ooze ignorance AND arrogance, un-important to someone who's never had to actually deal with the real condition maybe. <br /><br />"My point is, people like me exist. More than a few I suspect. Are we possibly people with a condition, not the same as early onset transexuals but still with a legitimate problem that needs treating?"~ Amber<br /><br />No-one disputes that people "like you" exist and the rest of your paragraph is pretty close except for the place you wrote "early onset" because although you were diagnosed and treated as on, people "like you" are nothing like ANY type of transsexual. <br /><br />Have a great day!Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-75972455741516091552011-11-08T21:39:51.915-05:002011-11-08T21:39:51.915-05:00Amber. You were "declared/diagnosed" TS ...Amber. You were "declared/diagnosed" TS based on te "new, PC, GLAAD Approved WPATH definition which is nothng more than a complete,total, and INTENTIONAL conflaton of two distinct terms.<br /><br />The intent of this intentional conflation is obvious in that it allows folks like you to "choose" to be "transsexual" because, " I dont like being referred to as transgender as they seem to be mostly sex people which I am not."<br /><br />Hmmmmm....?Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-76146346839072591222011-11-08T14:43:23.221-05:002011-11-08T14:43:23.221-05:00Amber AP you wrote "Some, like me merely disc...Amber AP you wrote "Some, like me merely discover that life as a woman is much more comfortable and makes us personally much happier.". But you seem to disavow any experiences or thoughts prior to your discovery. Yet you also do not explain what precipitated that sudden startling notion. I don't mean to be facetious but it almost sounds like you woke up one morning and had an "aha" experience. You left out something because the dots don't seem to connect.Deenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14347031772197022065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-64783093112197144462011-11-08T11:04:06.356-05:002011-11-08T11:04:06.356-05:00I have read a lot and heard commentary from many d...I have read a lot and heard commentary from many different points of view. I have no axe to grind and in a real sense what I am matters less to me than simply finding a life that makes me happy. I am one of those late transitioners that Elizabeth seems to sometimes pity and sometimes despise. I dont fit very well into her paradigm for one though. I did not leave my wife, I did not abandon my children (my daughter is an adult) I dont think I am suddenly a woman. I never cross dressed, when I did it was not sexual although I sometimes felt very sexy. I dont have any invented story to tell which makes it sound as if I was a frustrated early transitioner wanna be. I never thought of myself as a girl, I was always clearly a boy although equally clearly not like most of the other boys. My adult life was - difficult personally - but not without moments of happiness and I was a succesful man by most standards who took advantage of but was unaware of male privilege.<br /><br />I have been on hormones for well over a year, I live full time as a woman and while I am likely not always accepted as a woman I do work very hard to look feminine and be as invisible as possible. I do plan for some surgeries but genital surgery is not high on my list. Perhaps that is an age thing, sex is not really all that interesting to me and I have been celibate for some time.<br /><br />Now heres the thing. I am not at all like Elizabeth, her experience is totally different from mine. I can understand her frustration with people like myself making all sorts of claims that seem outrageous. While I dont fit the criteria for being "female" or a "woman" I am most definetly no longer much like a man either. I feel I am much more than a man in a dress. I am not a transvestite in my mind as my transition has no sexual component. I dont like being referred to as transgender as they seem to be mostly sex people which I am not. If I am transexual I am most definetly NOT a transexual like Elizabeth. This is not, in any way a criticism or a complement - it is just a fact.<br /><br />So I wrote this long and likely boring post to make a point. Not all people who transition fit the traditional definition of transexual. Not all late transitioners are of a type and not all are selfish or totally self absorbed. Some, like me merely discover that life as a woman is much more comfortable and makes us personally much happier. I live my life much like other women even though all my body parts dont match and may never do so. In public I am always referred to in the feminine which makes me feel happy. My female friends consider me to be - at least enough of a woman - that they treat me as such. I have harmed and do not harm anyone. <br /><br />I dont know if a woman can have a penis, a transexual certainly can and I dont really know if it is all that important anyway. I do know a lot of people on the internet get very angry about these things which dont really seem all that important.<br /><br />For whatever its worth I was diagnosed as a transexual, I really only cared because it meant I could be prescribed hormones. I could not care less about my birth certificate although I have changed my drivers license for reasons of safety and security. <br /><br />My point is, people like me exist. More than a few I suspect. Are we possibly people with a condition, not the same as early onset transexuals but still with a legitimate problem that needs treating? <br /><br />Amber Anne PowellAmber Powellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-33883014632843088152011-10-30T22:45:55.299-04:002011-10-30T22:45:55.299-04:00As for Transgender vs Transsexual medical diagnosi...As for Transgender vs Transsexual medical diagnosis legitimacy. I've only come up with one clear reason that there needs to be a distinction. Most forms of Transgenderism are choices. Transsexualism is a medical condition. People born Transsexual don't choose to be, they ARE. People who cross-dress, drag performers, or who simply choose to live their lives presenting as the opposite sex are not suffering from a birth condition. <br /><br />It matters. If TG and TS are the same then an insurance company can deny coverage for a lack of clear diagnosis and medical necessity, conflating it to a lifestyle choice. There needs to be research done to prove that a Transsexual person suffers from a congenital birth condition, until such time its better to have a clear distinction between the two terms.<br /><br />BlackSwan<br />BlackSwanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-7300884378528103722011-10-30T20:47:15.890-04:002011-10-30T20:47:15.890-04:00Oh, by the way foxfire, I'm not from the state...Oh, by the way foxfire, I'm not from the states either, so most probably aren't familiar mine.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-40269507490285723562011-10-30T20:42:46.841-04:002011-10-30T20:42:46.841-04:00Foxfire's comment could be read (as I did) to ...Foxfire's comment could be read (as I did) to mean that if it's got a vagina, it's a woman. <br /><br />Whilst I DO agree with her latest comment TOTALLY, we ARE the ones discussing blurring and conflation of terms, no?<br /><br />Maybe WE should be TOTALLY clear and concise about how we word things, so that conflation of terms and blurring of the lines is harder to do.<br /><br />It's not always WHAT you say, but how someone can use it against you.<br /><br />And in the words of a wise woman:<br /><br />You can graft a vagina onto a water Mellon, that DOES NOT make it a woman.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-32618647827975745022011-10-30T19:40:42.439-04:002011-10-30T19:40:42.439-04:00Maybe I'm not familiar with the local vernacul...Maybe I'm not familiar with the local vernacular as I don't live in the States. I am a <i>female woman</i> with a <i>vagina</i>. My boyfriend is a <i>male man</i> with a <i>penis</i>. I'm pretty sure we never confuse which part belongs to the man, even when we are vigorously mashing them together.<br /><br />Put in simpler terms, girls have innies, boys have outies. Maybe I was just wrong about the rocket science part.Foxfirehttp://www.foxfireglen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-37529433823143224712011-10-30T13:22:54.952-04:002011-10-30T13:22:54.952-04:00@Abby..I think you pain meds are making your readi...@Abby..I think you pain meds are making your reading comprension "fuzzy".<br /><br />Please try re-reading 'foxfire's" quote.Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696670919817140802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-34944230894729590842011-10-30T02:32:34.234-04:002011-10-30T02:32:34.234-04:00@foxfire
I dunno, maybe I'm getting caught u...@foxfire<br /><br />I dunno, maybe I'm getting caught up in semantics again, but I wonder if you haven't mis-written your comment, or mis-interpreted the statement of Liz's that you quoted?<br /><br /> "WOMAN" does not=vagina, "MAN" does not=penis. <br /><br />(not in my books anyway, but then I'm just a silly pre-op, what would I know, however, correct me if I'm wrong, I can't remeber LiZ making THAT particular distinction anywhere iether)<br /><br />Female=vagina, male=penis, most certainly.<br /><br />And I agree whole heartedly the panis->vagina does NOT = lesbian.Van burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073383355848818002noreply@blogger.com