tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post575363085256626094..comments2023-04-26T23:19:46.504-04:00Comments on Notes from the T side: January 17, 1967 -- January 27, 1986 --- Feb 1, 2003Elizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-25999599494633424182013-02-10T22:46:27.689-05:002013-02-10T22:46:27.689-05:00This story may interest you
“Trans Woman student ...This story may interest you<br /><br />“Trans Woman student Abused and Shoved out of toilets at Leeds University”<br />http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/trans-woman-student-abused-and-shoved-out-of-toilets-at-leeds-university/<br /><br />Op-ed: 'It's The Women's Room!' and Other Bathroom Complications<br />http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2013/02/07/op-ed-its-womens-room-and-other-bathroom-complications<br /><br />Transgender Issues: Leeds Case Typifies <br />http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2013/02/08/transgender-issues-leeds-case-typifies-problems/<br /><br />Transgender student shoved out of Union toilets<br />http://www.leedsstudent.org/2013-02-08/ls1/ls1-news/transgender-student-shoved-out-of-union-toilets<br /><br />Trans woman student abused and shoved out of toilets at Leeds University<br />http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/02/08/trans-woman-student-abused-and-shoved-out-of-toilets-at-leeds-university/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-90958388639214397102013-02-10T07:58:09.063-05:002013-02-10T07:58:09.063-05:00@ Black Swan:
I don't think it is accurate to...@ Black Swan:<br /><br />I don't think it is accurate to say the US via its agencies had a low value of human life. Contracting is done by the lowest bidder as budgets were never infinite. Each mission disaster was not only a loss of highly trained people but massive investments of resources and incalcuable demoralization. The Cold War seems as unreal to me as WW2, but I realize that for people who lived during it the stakes were higher than any point in US history. The sheer symbolism of getting to the moon and having reusable shuttles first lent validity to the Free World system in the eyes of the citizens and the world. There is nothing comparable today. <br /><br />My Dad was a corporate pirate of the cocaine and greed-is-good 80's. I have no cool legacy to share. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392866929003087806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-38859471799945753492013-02-05T16:41:17.480-05:002013-02-05T16:41:17.480-05:00@Elizabeth
It clear to me from your post that the...@Elizabeth<br /><br />It clear to me from your post that the US had a laxed view of safety juxapposed to the need to be ahead of the Soviets in the space race. Some of the experiments I suspect my father worked on had to do with human tolerance to physical stress and radiation. It made clear sense at the time that the US technology agenda, to me disregarded human life, placed a low value on its human subjects and if your doing something that could be viewed by the public as immoral its best to keep it a secret and make it illegal to prying eyes.Black Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802542636695652253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-63268695384808506282013-02-04T14:25:42.131-05:002013-02-04T14:25:42.131-05:00It may be true that they need have died. The fact ...It may be true that they need have died. The fact is they did and in the case of Apollo 1 Long standing practice overrode common sense. <br /><br />As for our boys doing something immoral, since you bright it up. Anybody can be conned into doing an immoral act if the information they are given is wrong. It takes an extraordinary mind to see through the bullshit and propaganda. <br /><br />With that I am done with this thread. I'll be waiting for the next one. <br /><br />It's your blog I will comply with your wishes.<br />Peace;<br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-69640225692848313052013-02-04T14:15:14.938-05:002013-02-04T14:15:14.938-05:00@NYF
This is not a political blog and you just tr...@NYF<br /><br />This is not a political blog and you just tried to do what BS does all the time which is change the post intention with your politics.<br /><br />I am to be honest offended by those comments because it implies our kids protecting us are doing something immoral and they are not. If you actually are delusional enough to believe that the world would be better off if the US was an isolationist nation and did not involve itself in world politics then I feel sorry for you.<br /><br />Our problem is we seem to let certain events pass without doing anything and allowing genocide. I guess in your mind it is okay to indiscriminately kill with suicide bombs but not okay to kill the suicide bombers before they kill others.<br /><br />You seemed to miss the entire point of the post which was simple. They need not have died if people had done their jobs which is not unlike we would not need to interfere of people stood up to bullies and terrorists but then they are like you and would prefer to bury their collective heads in the sand until somebody else saves their collective asses.<br /><br />Under normal circumstances I respect you comments and your thoughts and beliefs but you are wrong here.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-30579171795681033862013-02-04T10:47:22.944-05:002013-02-04T10:47:22.944-05:00A sad face of life, like freedom technological adv...A sad face of life, like freedom technological advancement occasionally requires the blood of those good patriots. <br /><br />If we want to be reverent in the world as a leader in space technology we must continue to move forward. <br />It's sad to see that we would rather spend our money killing people in far off lands instead of doing something to improve the quality of life for us all. <br /><br />Those who gave their lives in our space program had that view in mind instead of being the world's number 1 killer of man women and children. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-64618329527805397762013-02-03T15:14:22.552-05:002013-02-03T15:14:22.552-05:00I lived in Florida from 1984 until 1988. For a wh...I lived in Florida from 1984 until 1988. For a while I worked for a company that sold computers. On a very cold January morning,January 27, 1986, I had traveled from Okeechobee to Vero Beach to work on a computer. I was riding in a van driven by one of the technicians. I happened to look out the window and saw the space shuttle going up. When I pointed it out, the driver pulled over to watch. This was not the first shuttle launch I had seen, but it was always interesting to view one. There was a brief flash, and my first thought, having watched many old films of rocket launches was. "Well, there goes the first stage..." This was followed immediately by the realization, "There are no stages on the shuttle." Of course, the trails from the two boosters made it clear that something was very wrong...<br /><br />I turned on the radio, and found the station that was covering the launch. The announcer was saying that "something had happened...what was not clear." For a moment, I held out some hope that they could return to the landing strip, but it quickly became obvious that was not the case.<br /><br />One thing I remember very clearly from that morning was a report that paramedics had been dropped into the water. Of course that was quickly buried. it was only much later that the truth about the crew's surviving the blast would come out.<br /><br />I grew up with the space program. I was a geek girl from early on. I remember the night the news broke that the three Apollo I astronauts had died. And I remember sitting watching as the news covered the Columbia disaster. I grew up in Alabama, and I have been to Huntsville and the Cape many times. I was an early visitor to the Space and Rocket Center and was luck enough to see Miss Baker there. And one of my fondest memories is the day I got to meet Alan Shepard. He was signing his book, and I was towards the end of the line. We had been told that we were to not try to speak to him, or touch him. Just hand him the book and move on. Well, I came up, grinning from ear to ear. To actually be that close to one of the Mercury Seven was a great treat. He looked at me and I guess he realized I was the right age to have been in elementary school back then. He smiled, and said. "How's it going?" I was stunned that he actually spoke to me. I managed to get out "Great!" and moved on, filling like I was floating.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-13878680551115176072013-02-02T01:53:33.422-05:002013-02-02T01:53:33.422-05:00@Anon
Actually this was not a derail by BS. It is...@Anon<br /><br />Actually this was not a derail by BS. It is quite relevant to the early days of NASA and Apollo.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-85857060760725947582013-02-02T01:47:07.542-05:002013-02-02T01:47:07.542-05:00Sheesh! Another f**king BS de-rail.
Will it nev...Sheesh! Another f**king BS de-rail.<br /><br /><br />Will it never end?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-50562262946006882542013-02-02T01:37:32.004-05:002013-02-02T01:37:32.004-05:00The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) created the...The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) created the Operation Paperclip program and they recruited captured German Scientists and actually led raids to capture said scientists but all I ever knew was I met Von Braun and Rudolph at Huntsville during a test firing of the Saturn booster. Most of the activity was over shortly after the end of the war from what little I know.<br /><br />I was only 21 when I met them and it was only for a moment and it was a short discussion about hypergolic rocket propellant. I did not know until much later they were both Nazi's and I mean members of the Nazi party but then if you were not who knows what they might have done to them.<br /><br />Von Braun gets most of credit but Rudolph was brilliant. I never worked closely with them. I worked a lot with Grumman and North American among other duties and they knew everything about me. There were also more than a few gay men there and all that mattered was doing the work. Rudolph was eventually investigated for war crimes and renounced his US citizenship in the 80's and returned to Germany where they did nothing. Rudolph was the designer of the V-2.<br /><br />A lot of the work I did was so top secret it is still classified which is rather weird but understandable in some ways. <br /><br />The Physician that supervised the "aversion therapy", as in torture, I was subjected to in 1963 at 17 years of age was a German with a thick accent who was supposedly an expert in this type of shit and he was in his 60's so I always wondered about him. I can honestly say I would have killed that man if given the chance.<br /><br />I know little to nothing about Human Experiments by these Nazi found in Operation Paperclip other than rumor.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-31456288875309382302013-02-01T23:22:45.221-05:002013-02-01T23:22:45.221-05:00Sorry I meant V2. Sorry I meant V2. Black Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802542636695652253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-16511759427072860432013-02-01T22:30:50.273-05:002013-02-01T22:30:50.273-05:00Operation Paperclip was still in going through the...Operation Paperclip was still in going through the Cold War, off the books till the last of the Nazi scientists died. Not just the U-2 rocket scientist at NASA. My father worked with many of the German scientist that were doing human experiments in Texas at Anderson's AFB in the early sixties. I assume this because my father changed is story of what his MOS was in the service from supply to wilderness survival training and some other canard--he's way to smart for that kind of work. The kind of biologist he is I doubt that very much his story carried any weight. Most of it now is declassfied now. My father was a research biologist and nuclear chemist and my mother was a nurse. They both inlisted in the military, working for the Air Force. I know I was conceived right when they got out in 66. <br /><br />You may have unknowing worked for some of them at NASA. <br /><br /><br /><br /> Black Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802542636695652253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-6247063110608679942013-02-01T17:25:51.423-05:002013-02-01T17:25:51.423-05:00Way before my time. My parents met in WWII.Way before my time. My parents met in WWII.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-26988141483003603982013-02-01T16:08:30.789-05:002013-02-01T16:08:30.789-05:00@Elizabeth, where you ever involved with Operation...@Elizabeth, where you ever involved with Operation Paperclip? Black Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10802542636695652253noreply@blogger.com