tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post1465009731678539073..comments2023-04-26T23:19:46.504-04:00Comments on Notes from the T side: Transgender Activists and Stealth.Elizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-70312108885463146112013-08-05T16:57:48.955-04:002013-08-05T16:57:48.955-04:00AS has written an article criticizing Elizabeth...AS has written an article criticizing Elizabeth's response to MR and CW's attitude to "Stealth" In it he accuses Elizabeth me and others of using the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I can't speak for others and will not but it is an argument I have never used, at least to my recollection. I do however urge those who read my opinions to seriously consider keeping their past medical issues to themselves when it comes to being transsexual. I do that for good reasons. I honestly cannot see that being out about such history can ever allow anyone to leave the trauma of transsexuality behind. Telling everyone that you were born TS means by hat you are forever trapped in a place that excuses the individual from being truly their target sex. That is certainly why I have chosen to keep my "history" to myself. I don't say and have never said that allowing your past to be known means you are not a true transsexual. But then this kind of false accusation is typical of Sandeen and those like him. His whole life is built around such falsehoods, fallacy, weaseling and scheming.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-15677719371210822852013-08-04T00:04:48.723-04:002013-08-04T00:04:48.723-04:00CW is a coward and a fraud. He assails those that...CW is a coward and a fraud. He assails those that refuse to accept his BS unconditionally as being uncivilized, hateful bigots, unwilling to engage in open debate.<br /><br />Yet he fears that debate by refusing open, unfettered access to his comment section. He shamelessly blocks comments and insults his readers with endless rants filled with unanswerable logical fallacies.<br /><br />From an unpublished comment:<br /><br />"It seems to me that it was you CW, that offered up the 'straw man'.<br /><br />"...that this medical condition is exactly like having laser eye surgery is nothing more than living in denial.” ~CWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-45010654348322546352013-08-02T15:56:20.093-04:002013-08-02T15:56:20.093-04:00I just posted a response Mr. Williams rather pitif...I just posted a response Mr. Williams rather pitiful attempt to answer Elizabeth's excellent post. As I point out, he engages in a logical fallacy created from a logical fallacy about a logical fallacy. Truly one of his sillier attempts at what he thinks passes for rational debate.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-24415018875788994182013-08-01T11:31:39.977-04:002013-08-01T11:31:39.977-04:00I hear Mr. "Cristan" Williams and Mr. &q...I hear Mr. "Cristan" Williams and Mr. "Dana" Taylor are having a go at it in trying to silence anyone that disagrees with them. They are attacking an Intersex person and trying to silence them, all because they don't believe in their delusions. Also,Mr. "Dana" Taylor tried to attack Gallusmag on her blog with this comment, which he thought they would back him, but instead backfired on him when he showed his Moobs and his so called milk trophy. Here's the link: http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/catchy/#comment-23721<br /><br />It's also noted that Mr. "Dana" Taylor has a blog that promotes rape and breaking the cotton ceiling to forcing women and lesbian women to have sex with him or his TEEGEE kooks. He had it linked to him when he was commenting on Gallusmag's blog, but now removed it because someone exposed who ran the site. Here's the link: http://www.fbrape.com/<br />In which he hates the cotton ceiling because Bio women and lesbian women won't have sex with him and he was quoted saying "I became painfully aware of this when the cotton ceiling happened." As has been pointed out, the whole "cotton ceiling" thing has a very "rapey" feel about it. It is not stigma, it is disgust.<br /><br />NSAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-18551475168236088842013-07-31T09:29:33.661-04:002013-07-31T09:29:33.661-04:00Educated conservatives have always recognized the ...Educated conservatives have always recognized the potential for sex related birth defects, and they can spot someone who claims to have such a birth defect and is a fake a mile away. This is true for any political ideology, it is just the so called left are mired in their political correctness. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-47163814465668776952013-07-30T23:30:04.523-04:002013-07-30T23:30:04.523-04:00In a video clip that has begun circulating in the ...In a video clip that has begun circulating in the tg blogosphere, televangelist Pat Robertson states that he believes that there really are females born into male bodies and vice versa, and goes further to say that he doesn't believe there is any sin in such people changing their physical sex.<br /><br />What the teegees seem to conveniently miss is the part where he says, "But somebody who just says 'I'm a woman', I question the validity of that statement..... You only count someone as female once they really are, or male once they really are."<br /><br />So there you have it. Even right-wing conservative Christian Pat Robertson understands the difference between bonafide transsexuals and tee-gees.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-72522348376846032502013-07-30T22:34:14.029-04:002013-07-30T22:34:14.029-04:00No one with a penis gets to decide who is a woman ...No one with a penis gets to decide who is a woman and who isn't.<br /><br />~MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-87635228272611537222013-07-30T18:19:36.811-04:002013-07-30T18:19:36.811-04:00This state,ent from MR had me choking on my mornin...This state,ent from MR had me choking on my morning coffee! "Being stealth DOESN'T help the trans community. It only helps those who are stealth. Stealth transpeople can tell themselves that to salve their egos all day long, but the reality is only being out and proud of being trans has led to the major gains we've made in the public policy realm the last few years" <br /><br />The assumption made is that we need trans rights in order to exist and plainly we don't. All I needed all I ever sought was the recognition of my true sex. After that all any of us ever need or should ever seek is rights for women and full sexual equality for women. These activists are not seeking that; they are plainly seeking rights over and above those of other women or men and they are demanding our help for those privileges. Worse, they are using and abusing our legitimacy in that quest. I have some choice directives for them on that issue!!<br /><br />Cassandraspeaks<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-4164503838085656512013-07-30T04:58:43.108-04:002013-07-30T04:58:43.108-04:00NYF,
Perhaps you're right and I'm incorre...NYF,<br /><br /><i>Perhaps</i> you're right and I'm incorrect.Van Burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10771368775037115526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-65134383474691903362013-07-30T03:43:26.625-04:002013-07-30T03:43:26.625-04:00I really don't have anything against Cristan W...I really don't have anything against Cristan Williams or Monica Roberts, but when they try to lay this guilt trip on those who choose "stealth", one thing immediately comes to mind. I seriously doubt whether any of them would take too kindly to radical feminists, Christian right-wingers, or anybody really, telling them how to live their lives... yet they don't seem to have any problem with doing the same thing to others.<br /><br />They should know better.<br /><br />A.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-34534015072987009402013-07-29T22:20:25.383-04:002013-07-29T22:20:25.383-04:00This is typical CW double-speak. Failing to suppor...This is typical CW double-speak. Failing to support his assertion that to "get on with my life as the woman I am", is a delusion, he simply moves on as if this unsupported assertion is now a given and then rationalizes his argument based on his false assertion. <br /><br />His next logical fallacy is that we believe "that being trans was only a medical problem". Again his false, unsupported assertion is that we believe that we are 'trans'. Clearly, we do not.<br /><br />Like most men, he fails to listen when we tell him that we are not, and never have been, 'trans'. He just dismisses our claims to self determination in favor of his self-serving dictates.<br /><br />Exactly the same logic used by the rapist asserting that his victim, "really wanted to be raped".<br /><br />These guys all are the same. Just a bunch of self loathing misogynists. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-91972914726827464462013-07-29T19:23:46.273-04:002013-07-29T19:23:46.273-04:00What TGs never understand is that once you have ma...What TGs never understand is that once you have made it past the basket of crabs without falling into it, privacy is not something you do it is something that comes to you. Kathryn Dumkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16054997856180869508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-459558223277788242013-07-29T16:59:32.756-04:002013-07-29T16:59:32.756-04:00When I was a toddler I knew there was a difference...When I was a toddler I knew there was a difference between boys/men and girls/women. I could not explaining it, but it was obviously far deeper than clothes and shape, it was a division of spirt - a gender ethos, to put it into adult language. It was a difference I could feel. I knew I belonged with the girls/women because we shared a common spirit. It was a reality of intuition; a profound "feeling" and the feeling has never changed.<br /><br />As a child from my earliest memories I knew there was a also feeling of being truthful and a very different feeling of lying. When forced to say I was a boy and to pretend to be one, it *felt* like I was lying. I knew lying was bad. It felt always wrong. And when I learned boys had a penis, it did not make me feel I was a boy. It made having a penis feel wrong.<br /><br />To carry a profound belief in a feeling, an intangible, whether it is a faith in God or the essence of the gender of who you are within, isn't a delusion. It is assigning more importance to feeling than the flesh. A value judgement is not a delusion. To be delusional, we'd have to believe we possessed vaginas and neo-clits and not what our eyes saw. That would be delusional. If we were delusional, we wouldn't need surgery. That is the irony of those who call us delusional.<br /><br />- an old auntyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-49098510866533389812013-07-29T13:23:47.662-04:002013-07-29T13:23:47.662-04:00Van Buren;
First people like CW, DLT and AS censor...Van Buren;<br />First people like CW, DLT and AS censor their comments. We don't know how many have attempted to discuss this issue from our point of view. <br /><br />NFI is a good way to put it, the other phrase CW forgot to attack was one a friend used when she use to fight the good fight against the Tee-Gees "All we want to do is have our surgery and get on with our lives". This all goes back to those Tee-Gees trying to legitimize their fetish, their lifestyle at our expense. The DLT post about her lactation is a prime example of fetish driven behavior, as exemplified by DLT posting pictures. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-57595757104296546432013-07-29T06:35:49.122-04:002013-07-29T06:35:49.122-04:00Stealth people say things like “I just want to get...<i>Stealth people say things like “I just want to get on with my life as the woman I am” – a sentiment that sounds rational enough on the surface. The problem with that sentiment is that it’s also a delusion. Stealth people rationalize their lies by believing that being trans was only a medical problem that was fixed</i><br /><br />what I find Ironic about this is how CW goes largely un-challenged by those in the "gender" community and that so many people fail to realise the reason for that is that those who would challenge, those in a position to challenge, aren't SAYING that at all, they aren't "rationalising" any delusions, they are simply DOING it, getting on with their lives, being who they ARE, not justifying anything to anyone.<br /><br />THOSE are the ones who are truly "stealth" (I hate that word).<br /><br />the ones CW is talking about here, they aren't, they're not there yet! they WANT to get on with their lives, and WANTing to do something is different to simply DOING it.<br /><br />CW has NFI, just like most of the trans-dipshits.Van Burenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10771368775037115526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-78120278564775127812013-07-28T19:24:45.231-04:002013-07-28T19:24:45.231-04:00Some transition to be a woman. Some transition to ...Some transition to be a woman. Some transition to be something else.<br /><br />- an old auntyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-78448954838852787002013-07-28T17:30:23.794-04:002013-07-28T17:30:23.794-04:00When I first came on line and began wandering the ...When I first came on line and began wandering the Internet back in 2001 , I first came across the TG "stuff" and the term "stealth" Frankly I was confused because I began to understand very quickly that what I had one with my life since my SRS was now considered by the TG transvestites to be a word that tome means "To creep up on or stalk a victim prior to ,asking an attack" so to me to use this word on relation to my life and my life choices frankly disgusts me. Use of this word is one way the TG are using to make those who are beginning a transition tell everyone something they frankly have no need to know. <br /><br />The reality is that these activists are full of envy of those who are in the position to choose whether or not they disclose private medical information to those they meet. Surely " what you see is what you get" is enough. The activists that are part of the topic of this discussion are void of "choice" and the jealousy eats at them.<br /><br />Al I needed to know was that it was possible to correct that which was wrong and so the only role models I needed were the women I knew and admired and they were and are all around me. <br /><br />CasàndraspeaksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-86122828483228393022013-07-27T19:09:40.756-04:002013-07-27T19:09:40.756-04:00I find it notable that none of these outspoken twa...I find it notable that none of these outspoken twanswacktavists have the balls to engage on a site where they cannot censure, control nor oppress those that disagree with their misogynistic ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-3630912181177182092013-07-27T11:16:37.149-04:002013-07-27T11:16:37.149-04:00Autumn claims to be Post-Op also, but we know bett...Autumn claims to be Post-Op also, but we know better. <br /><br />Good to see you here Jen, I would post to your blog but I don't (and won't) have a Google account. <br />Lots of good content over there lately. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-85028584511989888862013-07-26T23:27:28.564-04:002013-07-26T23:27:28.564-04:00Williams claims to be "post-op" but has ...Williams claims to be "post-op" but has never offered any real information about what that "op" might be. I have come to suspect that Williams might have had facial surgery, and is referring to that.<br /><br />I agree, I do not believe Williams has had SRS. That, or if Williams has, there are some major regrets.Just Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15011627273687180475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-60167527380095765862013-07-26T22:56:21.106-04:002013-07-26T22:56:21.106-04:00Before I could speak I accepted without question t...Before I could speak I accepted without question that I was a girl. When I spoke and my mother discovered my belief and the repression began. I learned being a girl was something I had to conceal. I never did a good job hiding it. Other children called me a sissy. Later, they called me queer and a fag. They had no concept of trans nor did I, but I did know I wasn't who others thought I was and I had to hide it. I knew I had to pretend to be a guy, but I deeply hated lying about it.<br /><br />Transition was a great relief. It meant I could be honest as myself, a woman. People know me as a woman. Anything else would be a lie. That is a concept these "transwomen" are unable to understand. To them being a woman without an asterisk is deception. To me, being anything other than a woman would be a lie.<br /><br />- an old auntyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-34169912117188929482013-07-26T15:38:15.953-04:002013-07-26T15:38:15.953-04:00@Anon
I actually find that comment a tad offensiv...@Anon<br /><br />I actually find that comment a tad offensive but it is an example of the kind of argument TERF has with CW and MR and their ilk. There simply would be none of this if certain of these so-called activists were not promoting lesbians with dicks and crap like that.<br /><br />The link is to GenderTrender and they hate people like me but possibly not quite as much as MR and CW. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17931270965200576249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-944795231126319421.post-30801628343735095652013-07-26T15:10:08.217-04:002013-07-26T15:10:08.217-04:00They don't have any clue, they couldn't bu...They don't have any clue, they couldn't buy one. They try to baffle everyone with bullshit because they can't impress anybody with their non existent intellect. They call us TS separatists, separate from what?, not the greater society, not the mainstream. They are the separatists, but like with CW and MR we know that. <br /><br />They denounce stealth because it is something they can never attain, I don't even think DLT was able to blend in and and she had SRS. <br />Dana Lane Taylor decided to join the Tee-Gee Separatists because she couldn't fit into female society. <br /><br />NYFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com